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Re: Farmers in the news, trouble? [Re: Saskfly] #8339128
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Farm land here is being consolidated back into large chunks owned by one family.

What use to be 5 family owned 100acre farms are being bought up by large dairy farmers.

Then they,res what we call "gentlemen farmers" , guys with money who buy a farm for tax purposes and govt handouts for putting it into CRP.
(think, Oliver Douglas)

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Ya who's gonna do all the crappy cheep jobs when u guys send them all back soon

Re: Farmers in the news, trouble? [Re: Saskfly] #8339131
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Its legal to sell raw milk here now. Local guy with a few jersy's (lots of cream) is making some profit. Japan wants to buy ethanol. Trump is green lighting it. Should bode well for corn and milo prices. Farmers around here seem to be ok. Land prices are high for farm ground. Would be lots cheaper if no one was making money. Pasture is the same. Expensive. They all have nice vehicles etc. I dont know anybody relying on their garden like when I was a kid. People garden as a choice not a necessity. Everybody has running water and inside toilets. Most on a meter with a bill. Not wells.

You ought to be fined for hiring illegals Blaine. Its against the law and your an officer of the court. Time to enforce all those laws. I know two Americans with American employees, making a good living building fence.

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Re: Farmers in the news, trouble? [Re: danny clifton] #8339133
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Its legal to sell raw milk here now. Local guy with a few jersy's (lots of cream) is making some profit. Japan wants to buy ethanol. Trump is green lighting it. Should bode well for corn and milo prices. Farmers around here seem to be ok. Land prices are high for farm ground. Would be lots cheaper if no one was making money. Pasture is the same. Expensive. They all have nice vehicles etc. I dont know anybody relying on their garden like when I was a kid. People garden as a choice not a necessity. Everybody has running water and inside toilets.

You ought to be fined for hiring illegals Blaine. Its against the law and your an officer of the court. Time to enforce all those laws. I know two Americans with American employees, making a good living building fence.


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Re: Farmers in the news, trouble? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8339151
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Blaine County
Farming isn't going to get any easier, or more profitable, if a good chunk of the labor force is deported.


It will for all of us who don't have quasi slave labor! I have ICE on speed dial, all these huge dairies with Guatamaulans living in trailer houses and working 80 hours a week for $10 a hour and no OT can SUCK IT.

While I agree with some of what you said I don't fully buy the "it will for all of us" past of your post. Throw a tariff on potash, metals, farm machinery, and get retaliatory ones on agricultural goods like soybeans and the idea that everyone will profit more is just simply not going to be accurate.

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Re: Farmers in the news, trouble? [Re: Saskfly] #8339157
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Anyone know how dairy imports work in Canada, or poultry or beef.

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Originally Posted by rvsask
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor


It will for all of us who don't have quasi slave labor! I have ICE on speed dial, all these huge dairies with Guatamaulans living in trailer houses and working 80 hours a week for $10 a hour and no OT can SUCK IT.

While I agree with some of what you said I don't fully buy the "it will for all of us" past of your post. Throw a tariff on potash, metals, farm machinery, and get retaliatory ones on agricultural goods like soybeans and the idea that everyone will profit more is just simply not going to be accurate.


It was more of a long term outlook. Currently there is almost no hope for smaller farms to continue except as specialty farms catering to townies with $$$. I had a guy delivering hay here Sunday, 25 years old and runs a dairy with his dad, they milk 70 cows and want to expand as technology now would allow them to have more cows with 2 operators but they can't afford the land because Mega Farms buy or rent everything they can and use Illegals to run it. I'm more than happy to see the mega operators and their illegal labors suffer. We don't need the illegals, we just need to adopt the technology available and allow owner operators to make a fair income off their own labor on their own farms.

Re: Farmers in the news, trouble? [Re: Rat Masterson] #8339167
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Anyone know how dairy imports work in Canada, or poultry or beef.

Specifically what exactly? I feel like I know the odd thing (not a farmer, but dad is, as are multiple family and friends)

Re: Farmers in the news, trouble? [Re: Blaine County] #8339176
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Farming isn't going to get any easier, or more profitable, if a good chunk of the labor force is deported.


You have any idea how farmers that hire migrants workers work around here? They submit paperwork to the government showing the need, housing meets requirements, and time frame from my understanding.

Housing is not a slave shack but heating ac, hot and cold water cable TV. I have stayed in hotels that are not as nice. Each year the same familys return. Not a single one Is Illegal or going to be deported and they are also paid well.

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Originally Posted by rvsask
Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Anyone know how dairy imports work in Canada, or poultry or beef.

Specifically what exactly? I feel like I know the odd thing (not a farmer, but dad is, as are multiple family and friends)


Is it allowed, are their tariffs, although I think you knew the answer.

Re: Farmers in the news, trouble? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8339185
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Another part is government picked winners. To produce a gallon of milk 5 years ago was $6 to 10$ a gallon. But it $2 at the store. Government subsidiary to the big guys and that prices the little guys out of the industry. To get even more control the small farmers that developed direct to customer markets willing to pay $10 to 12$ a gallon


There's no way its costing that much to produce a Gallon of milk.

Some Farmers have gotten THEMSELVES into trouble. Equipment was going up in value so fast guys were buying all new equipment in the spring, 0% down, 0 payments for 6 months, they were then able to trade that equipment in at the end of the year for basically what they paid, they were essentially getting free leases and operating loans were 4%. Suddenly they went to trade in equipment now financed at 7%+ and found out they were going to be hundreds of thousands in the red on a single combine. Operating loans also went up to 7-8%. Suddenly their on the hook for Tens of Thousands of dollars in interest PER MONTH and grain prices fell from near all time highs to a more long term average. Everyone HATES taxes but farmers seem to hate them to the point they'll go broke to not pay them. When grain was high and operating cost lower they spent money like cowboys in a whorehouse, new bins, new buildings, etc. They should have enough to not bother with operating loans but they were to busy trying to outbid their neighbor on land that wouldn't cash flow at $10 bushel corn now its sitting at or under $5.

Locally many people who had cattle tore down the fencing and plowed the pastures when corn was up and cattle was down, now it's the opposite and it's to much money and work to rebuild the fences and they don't want cows, they killed their Cash Cow and now have no diversity on the farm.

Some of my Frugal neighbors bought a couple new used pieces of equipment, continued to work on the old stuff, didn't buy land that couldn't cash flow and I hope they end up in positron to take full advantage of others foolishness.



OK I'm wrong I don't know small dary farmers and have not been to conferences where thsi gas been discussed.

The small farmers are marketing cheese and making a profit off that and thought ille sell raw milk for $10 a gallon when they have extra or at least did before I moved and quit buying it from them. Cow shares are how its got around buying raw milk now. Whwe're each customer leases a share of the cow so mnow they can get milk from their own cow without government intervention.

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Rat, Is it allowed? LOL I know you're asking that rhetorically but I'm not sure you think what is actuality. Heck 10-20000 live US beef make it's way across the border to Alberta alone every month and then back again. Some live animals cross many times.
There are tariffs on 1% of US dairy exports into Canada. The USMCA your King highly touted when he was part of making it had Canada drop tariffs on US dairy completely up to a certain volume. Yes, Canada does limit the amount that comes in due to how the dairy industry is set up. (That's a different discussion)
Canada did not previously tariff US beef prior to the February retaliatory tariff. So, no.
Cabada did not previously tariff US poultry with the exception of certain of certain things like leg parts, again to reduce amount (again, another discussion) before the same retaliatory tariff.

I know that your favourite youtuber, or X personality or Facebook meme page is telling you other things but I'd go for what the National Cattleman's Beef Association has to say about the situation regarding importing/ex[porting beef as more of an authority on the topic.


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Such insight in all the above post sick

High fuel prices and high interest rates are giving the farm community large and small heartburn. We can do both for a while but 4 years is really putting the hurt on a lot of farms.

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Re: Farmers in the news, trouble? [Re: Blaine County] #8339279
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
The guys that build fence for all of my neighbors and me are illegal. And hard workers. And good guys with good families. Not sure about slave labor--but I don't see any white guys or black guys showing up to do it.


Perhaps you aren't paying a decent wage. Plenty of American citizens here in SW Missouri building fence for money. I see fence companies working year around.
And yes, these legal fence builders, white guys as you call them, have families just like your illegals.

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Here in central IL kids wet behind the ears want $20 an hour to build fence and bale hay. What's funny and a slap in their face is that guys that are 55 and retired want $10 an hour for the same work because they miss the farm and enjoy the work. I don't work anyone too hard and get twice the work out of the old geezers. The young ones get blisters and heat bothers them and cold bothers them and they want it all perfect. The older guys have fun no matter what because they love being on the farm and getting the fresh air. I got one guy that is a retired mailman who just loves to chop wood. I think he'd make a good trapper.


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Currently, the generation has a short memory or lack of knowledge. American agriculture has always relied on migrant/immigrant labor to a large degree, some forced and some by choice. The difference is that most are Hispanic currently and they can walk across the border rather than coming on a boat.
If you're not old enough to understand what was meant when someone said "cotton-pickin'" it was used as a by-word akin to cursing. A cotton-picker worked long, hard hours for next to nothing; they were considered at the bottom of society and economically were at the bottom. My mother's people traveled picking cotton and other field tasks; I heard her say many times how hard the work was and how little they got paid dragging a cotton sack. They didn't get much education because the cotton field work required the whole family to participate in order to survive. The locals wanted them to do their task and move on.

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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Blaine County
Farming isn't going to get any easier, or more profitable, if a good chunk of the labor force is deported.


It will for all of us who don't have quasi slave labor! I have ICE on speed dial, all these huge dairies with Guatamaulans living in trailer houses and working 80 hours a week for $10 a hour and no OT can SUCK IT.

Very well said!!!

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In the last tarriff round that DJT started, with China they switched their soybean purchases to Brazil, and the USA has not been able to get this back.
Manitoba exports 3-4 million live piglet hogs and there is going to be a 25% tarriff on those.....so those southern barns are going to be MT this summer

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Originally Posted by hippie
Originally Posted by Blaine County


The guys that build fence for all of my neighbors and me are illegal. And hard workers. And good guys with good families. Not sure about slave labor--but I don't see any white guys or black guys showing up to do it.


You complain on one thread about tax money going to illegals, and on this one you're part of the problem.




LOL. These boys aren't on welfare. Illegals cannot get welfare. Or social security benefits or the ever popular social security disability (even though a lot of them pay into the system). This has been covered on here repeatedly.

I did learn from Danny that asylum seekers can and do get welfare--but they are not illegal. Cut that off.

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4 years ago those seekers who crossed the border first and then asked for asylum would have been considered illegal.


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