That does suck when it happens.

Farmers will be fine. Hopefully Japan buying ethanol will reduce the subsidies.

The vast majority of these payments are for CRP, CReP and conservation projects. Crop insurance subsidies are about 80$ an acre but I think there is a 50,000$ max, hence you will see different family names on the farms "seperate" fields. I dont consider a CRP payment a subsidy, more so rent.

That may be the case where you are but, there is very little CRP in my zip code area. I have plat maps of the area and know who farms what. They are my neighbors. It is planted crop or grazed pasture here for the most part. The closer to my house you get the less CRP there is.

None of the largest names locally on the list have CRP.

Only shows program payments , crp , disaster . Does not show crop insurance which is the big money maker

It shows commodity subsidies iam assuming that's crop insurance

Nope

Note the link crop insurance proceeds are reported

Bryce

https://farm.ewg.org/index.php

Here you go if you want to find out.

All i know for 100% fact is that H2A workers don't pay taxes in wyoming. Federal or state.

Also the employer is required to pay all the workers traveling expenses(air fare, food and hotels) to work and back home.

The guys would give jerrys bosses their expense receipts when they got to Wyoming and they'd get reimbursed.

The govt also requires special housing with craploads of inspections for the h2a guys but the Americans can sleep in a tent and the govt wouldn't care.

Jerry paid his own traveling expenses and was never in his 30 years there reimbursed.
( he worked with guys on the H2A program thenlastb10 years of his employment at the ranch so it wasn't a 1 and one..he knows and so do I from being with him, all about wyomings H2A program details..
(Id assume.since its a federal program all rules would be the same)

The BS is a good part of why he retired.

Who wants to work their butts off for 20 years and then have someone come in making more than you are and you're the ranch forman??

Pure BS.

Also they employer has to guarantee their contract..if they have a 6 month contract and wanna leave after 3 or get injured r wven fired,they get paid their entire 6 month contract( it happened on the ranch 3 tumes with different h2a workers.

It's a screwing for the American workers.

I know.americans don't wanna do those jobs but if the American employees were offered the same things the H2A workers got more Americans would do the work, imo.

There also required to.provide them with a vehicle..even on their off days..that never happened for Jerry.

They are enquired to provide all thw h2a workers boots and work clothes..gloves and all and that didn't happen foe Jerry either.

One time the bought all the h2a guys new 200.00 apair boots to work in and Jerry didn't get a pair..again..another show of the screwing.

The guys he worked with for the most part were had workers but it doesn't change the fact that our American govr would rather put foreigners to work than their fellow americans.

I know his employer could have done the same things for Jerry but thwy didn't because the country Jerry is a citizen of decided the contract workers are more important and d3serve special treatment.

BS.

And yall.can disagree all ya want..I know what I'm talking about.
Jerry lives it for 10 years.

I am not sure what the program was called or it is still running, but the Government paid half the wages of workers if they came from other countries. Here there is a lot of South Africans working around me on farms. They seem like good enough guys, but who would you hire? The guy you pay 50% or the full 100% guy.

I think there is sometimes a feeling that "If you don't support every farmer you hate farmers" and I don't think that's ever been the case. Most of my friends farm, I hunt on farmers land, I farm. I think the Govt for to long has had their hand on the scale and it's hurt a lot of us and we're sick of seeing things being lost because of it.

Of my many friends growing up who wanted to farm ONE made it into farming full time, he married the farmers daughter, smart lad. The rest of us work full time off the farm or run a business and dump all the money into our own farms hoping one day we can farm full time. I don't think it would be that way without someone's thumb on the scale giving Millions to a few big farms locally. Maybe I'm just resentful, I remember a time when it was all small farms and we all called each other for help, now the farmers live 20+ miles away and blow in a couple times a year with 6 million dollars in equipment and you've never shook their hand, never even saw them up close and they don't treat the community or the neighbors the same. Then you see their name multiple times on the list of subsidy recipients receiving Million + under each name, just frustrating.

Donnersurvior, it does make it hard to compete buying land when their subsidy every year is way more then you make. Ask how I know. I bid on some pasture against one high on the list. There was no end to what he was willing to pay. I ran it up enough the seller sent me a check and told me to take my wife to dinner. I was hoping I didn't get the land at the end of my bidding. It was three quarters less then two miles from my house.

Cathrn, no disrespect but why did Jerry put up with that so long?, or at least lean on the boss for equal treatment?, sounds like they had little regard for him...which would have whizzed me off if I was him....

Thats why they rent land, and cook the books

Thanks guys, sounds like a bunch of programs. Imagine the big guys have full time grant/subsidies writers on staff.

When he talked to twm about it at the end of the year thy told him they didn't need him anymore..that they were gonna go to all Peruvians.

They sent him a check for 10,000.00 as a severance deal.

Then covid hit and they couldn't get the H2A guys so they called him.and asked him to come back he went back for 2 years. If they hadn't Sen him the money he wouldn't have went back.

The real main reason he stayed was because they let him stop working end of Sept and he could trap in wyoming starting October first and they let him stay in the bunkhouse that month while he trapped and they didn't charge him anything..(he always gave them.money for the electric bill)

It was very upsetting to him but he'd put up with alot in order to be able to trap.

They still allow him to stay on the ranch when he's trapping in wyoming.