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How have you evolved? #8344573
02/17/25 10:23 AM
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Reading some of these topics had me thinking about when I first started trapping and how I’ve “evolved” to my own way over the years.

Take for instance just a trap covering. I went from waxed paper, to coffee filters, to leaves, to screen, to finally just a little polyfil under the pan. (Screen is still used at certain sets)

Now even the species targeted is set more for certain species than others. I used to think you aren’t a trapper if you’re not catching coyotes. To be honest, my landowners rank coyotes at the bottom for what they want to accomplish on their properties, yet I was making every set a coyote set just by where I’d place my trap, especially at baited sets. I was missing fox and the occasional bobcat, but I HAD to catch a coyote. I soon learned if I made every set more for a fox or cat, I’d still catch a coyote and the predators I was now setting for. Forget the 3X9 rule, it’s now more of a 2X3-4 rule. At a true dirt hole , my jaw is touching the edge of the hole which actually has upped my catches.

I knew catching coons and possums was important, but they didn’t have the allure of catching a coyote or cat. It finally dawned on me when totaling up a bill for a landowner that enough of those two will add some serious money to that future check. So, I started really focusing more on the “smaller” predators and less on the larger ones. The landowners and I both saw an increase in their desired results.

I also learned cage traps will catch just about anything, except a coyote for me. I tried different baits with success, but nothing beats a regular ole chicken egg. Every predator out there eats eggs when found, lol. Nothing says free meal like a white egg in a cage trap. I didn’t think a cage in the wide open would catch bobcats and fox, but it does.

Same with DP’s. I went through a ton of different baits and learned what catches the most for me. Corn was the primary and would catch coons and possums, but switching to dry catfood had me catching those plus fox. Always pretty cool to walk up on a fox in a DP, lol!

Anyways, just curious if and how y’all have “evolved” over the years?

Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8344619
02/17/25 11:10 AM
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Think maybe equipment standardization would be big in my trapping evolution...Really appreciate using one dedicated land trap, one water trap, and 2 different snares....Trial & Error, plus experience lays the foundation of your equipment.

That and learning set location, starting from recognizing good areas, and breaking it all down to specific set location is paramount.


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Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8344627
02/17/25 11:16 AM
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I’ve finally learned that bigger footholds aren’t necessarily “meaner”.

What bedding a trap actually entails! When I first started trying trapping I just laid it on the ground, nobody to teach me otherwise.

This year , using and making cable extensions instead of staking for DP’s.

Learning a heck of a lot about hardware too; buying and using cable and stops and learning how to use a swage tool to create cable loops and such.
Also getting the hang and understanding of how CR’s /Snares work.

Much of this I haven’t actually put into practice in the field but I’ll use the time in between seasons to learn and practice more!

Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8344632
02/17/25 11:18 AM
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Quality over quantity. 2 sets on prime locations is better than a dozen sets scattered willy nilly. That's been my big lesson over the years.

Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8344654
02/17/25 11:37 AM
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I have evolved back to stuff I started out doing. Rebar stakes, drags including clogs, buying very few commercial scents, short latching traps. I drive a lot walk little now.


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Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8344677
02/17/25 11:55 AM
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Good quality multiple sets on location beat a bunch of poorly made sets.


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Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8344683
02/17/25 12:02 PM
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I used to use mor flat sets. Now it’s mostly dhs or baited sets of some sort. I used to worry about blending, now I make most of my sets big. Moved my trap closer, but worry less overall about trap placement. Focus less on just finding a track to set on and instead try to find multiple sets going multiple directions.

Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8344684
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I think back in the good old days when coons were $25 - in the south and a lot of folks were actually making a significant portion of their living trapping - a trapper also had to pay attention and not get too hung up on one thing. Everyone around me was targeting coons, beaver, and cat. You could hear coon hounds running every night in four directions. The only time you were the first to place a trap on a section of creek was the first day of season. You could walk a steep, high ridge three miles back into the mountains and someone was trapping back there. I made over $10,000 in a season by concentrating on nutria - in the late 70’s. I lived in a tent for three months and traveled from water body to water body. Yes, folks had trapped there, for coon and beaver - but were cussing when a lowly nutria got in a set and ruined it. $5 for a nutria instead of $30 for a coon or beaver was a non starter for many. I paddled into areas that were difficult to get to. I lived in a tent so I did not have to worry about the drive to check traps. I averaged 30 nutrias a night - plus caught some beaver, coon, cat, possum, and skunks along the way

I, too, now concentrate on coons, possums, and skunks to reduce nest predation on my own land. I can set five dp traps - easily - in the time it takes to set one dirt hole. But, I still cant help myself - I have to set a couple traps for cats just because they were always my favorite catch.

Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8344686
02/17/25 12:05 PM
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Finding those locations on a farm that straight up produce , and set them as doubles even triples. Rather than 6-8 stops on a farm I now have one or two, and still catch the same amount of fur.

This year , I have evolved from trying to make money trapping to spending time teaching my kids about a trapline. We don’t cover the ground like I can solo, but its a heck of a lot more fun and rewarding!

Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8344829
02/17/25 02:56 PM
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If I’m not catching anything, set some more!


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Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8345189
02/17/25 08:10 PM
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Interesting question.

I’d say slowing myself down on purpose would be biggest change. Sorta a shift from older school style of standardized sets/techniques and efficiency combined with long miles/hours. Not that I throw that out window now but instead concentrate on observing and then figuring out why X is or isn’t working in order to adjust vs just pushing harder. Still have alot of respect for those that can pile up numbers but have found appreciation for figuring out how to deal with the tougher ones

You’ll find that very little of what I do now looks much like it did 15 years ago let alone 40-45 years ago. Sets aren’t same, lure and luring not same but locations have evolved the most. I spend more time these days looking for the details of critter movement beyond just the location that has most activity potential

Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8345242
02/17/25 09:07 PM
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WB,
I know the following isn't quite what your were asking ,but your thread made me reminisce a little.

1970s to mid-80s: Fur trapping is great (and with an excellent fur market) & pay job trapping is unheard of around here. There were 6 or more fur buyers within a 60 miles radius of me and 2 or 3 more than ran truck routes weekly or bi-monthly. Road-kill furbearers do not lay long on highway.

Late-80s: Less fur trapping (fur market weakening). A few newly constructed fox pens are buying foxes....$50/fox

Early 90s: fur market pitiful. Local fur buyers all gone. Pens preferring mostly coyotes. Paying $75 each.

Late 90s to early 2000s: fur market decent for a few species, but must be put up fur and ship to big auction houses, except for one lical buyer about 120 miles up state from me (Jerry Lee.) Hearing about landowners willing to pay for good trappers. Coyote & fox live market is keeping southern trappers alive. $50 reds, $35 to $40 greys, $100 coyotes.

2010 & 2011: fur market is very good, especially otter, foxes, bobcats, coon here in the South (2nd highest I've ever enjoyed in my lifetime.) Coyote live market is still rolling...$75 to $100 each. Several large landowners very willing to pay for a good trapper. NAFA begins to bite off more than it can chew.

2012 and a few years after: fur market declining. Live market still pretty good. Live coyotes $50 to $75. Very little fur trapping in the South. Very limited outlets to market southern fur. I stopped all my live marketing...tired of it. Too much bickering over perfect feet by the old houndsmen codgers that run the pens.....smh!

Mid-20teens: fur market bad. Ditching all southern coon and beaver. Sending dried otters, cats, and foxes to several different buying outlets (low prices received, but I cant make myself pitch cats, foxes, and otters.) Live market slowed. Some pens offering less than $50/coyote. All my work is pay predator jobs...paying pretty good ($200 to $300/per day with lodging provided and 10 to 14 day minimum runs.) No problem for me to stay busy all with numerous predator jobs and now beaver work.

Late-20teens: Fur market still low. Paid predator & beaver work is easy to get. Both large and small landowners willing to pay for a good trapper. Paid beaver jobs becoming very common...year-round. Groenwold begins making fur buying stops in the Deep South.....I'm assuming due to increasing beaver felt market.

2020 to present: Fur market not impressive, but still alive. Beaver interest increased to 2nd highest I've ever seen in my lifetime. GFWC making numerous buying stops all over the South...giving us deep South trappers an easy outlet to move our otter, bobcats, and foxes, too. Coon interest still pitiful. Paid predator work and beaver jobs are literally everywhere down here for good trappers with the knowledge and equipment to do them right. Coyote live market prices have increased back up to +/- $100 per coyote at a few Georgia training enclosures.

Here we are!


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Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8345248
02/17/25 09:14 PM
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Just use Backbreaker, it seems to work for everything.

Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8345268
02/17/25 09:32 PM
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My knuckles don't drag on the ground as much as they used to.
Seriously, I'm like Danny. Im pretty much a 220 bodygrip guy and can't walk very far. Coons, possum, skunk. And a 220 in a trail thru cattails is killer on bobcats. No dirtholes anymore. Too hard to get back on my feet.

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Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8345322
02/17/25 10:38 PM
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Good write up Swamp Wolf. Really enjoyed your reminisces.

My evolution kind of started when prices started going down in the late 80's. I learned I had to catch more fur to make the same amount of $$$. To do that I had to learn to skin faster and get better at putting up fur. No country carcass buyers around anymore. Over time I also learned that marketing my fur was just as important (or more) than catching it. Every year I'm looking for my best options and also learning to take full advantage of all the side products each species has. If I get $20 for a beaver pelt I'll usually end up with nearly another $20 with all the side products.


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Re: How have you evolved? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8345348
02/17/25 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Good write up Swamp Wolf. Really enjoyed your reminisces.

My evolution kind of started when prices started going down in the late 80's. I learned I had to catch more fur to make the same amount of $$$. To do that I had to learn to skin faster and get better at putting up fur. No country carcass buyers around anymore. Over time I also learned that marketing my fur was just as important (or more) than catching it. Every year I'm looking for my best options and also learning to take full advantage of all the side products each species has. If I get $20 for a beaver pelt I'll usually end up with nearly another $20 with all the side products.

We trappers sure have a strong love for what we do....and have to do!


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Re: How have you evolved? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8345411
02/18/25 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs
I think back in the good old days when coons were $25 - in the south and a lot of folks were actually making a significant portion of their living trapping - a trapper also had to pay attention and not get too hung up on one thing. Everyone around me was targeting coons, beaver, and cat. You could hear coon hounds running every night in four directions. The only time you were the first to place a trap on a section of creek was the first day of season. You could walk a steep, high ridge three miles back into the mountains and someone was trapping back there. I made over $10,000 in a season by concentrating on nutria - in the late 70’s. I lived in a tent for three months and traveled from water body to water body. Yes, folks had trapped there, for coon and beaver - but were cussing when a lowly nutria got in a set and ruined it. $5 for a nutria instead of $30 for a coon or beaver was a non starter for many. I paddled into areas that were difficult to get to. I lived in a tent so I did not have to worry about the drive to check traps. I averaged 30 nutrias a night - plus caught some beaver, coon, cat, possum, and skunks along the way

I, too, now concentrate on coons, possums, and skunks to reduce nest predation on my own land. I can set five dp traps - easily - in the time it takes to set one dirt hole. But, I still cant help myself - I have to set a couple traps for cats just because they were always my favorite catch.

I round this interesting to read! Cool experience.

Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8345416
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
WB,
I know the following isn't quite what your were asking ,but your thread made me reminisce a little.

1970s to mid-80s: Fur trapping is great (and with an excellent fur market) & pay job trapping is unheard of around here. There were 6 or more fur buyers within a 60 miles radius of me and 2 or 3 more than ran truck routes weekly or bi-monthly. Road-kill furbearers do not lay long on highway.

Late-80s: Less fur trapping (fur market weakening). A few newly constructed fox pens are buying foxes....$50/fox

Early 90s: fur market pitiful. Local fur buyers all gone. Pens preferring mostly coyotes. Paying $75 each.

Late 90s to early 2000s: fur market decent for a few species, but must be put up fur and ship to big auction houses, except for one lical buyer about 120 miles up state from me (Jerry Lee.) Hearing about landowners willing to pay for good trappers. Coyote & fox live market is keeping southern trappers alive. $50 reds, $35 to $40 greys, $100 coyotes.

2010 & 2011: fur market is very good, especially otter, foxes, bobcats, coon here in the South (2nd highest I've ever enjoyed in my lifetime.) Coyote live market is still rolling...$75 to $100 each. Several large landowners very willing to pay for a good trapper. NAFA begins to bite off more than it can chew.

2012 and a few years after: fur market declining. Live market still pretty good. Live coyotes $50 to $75. Very little fur trapping in the South. Very limited outlets to market southern fur. I stopped all my live marketing...tired of it. Too much bickering over perfect feet by the old houndsmen codgers that run the pens.....smh!

Mid-20teens: fur market bad. Ditching all southern coon and beaver. Sending dried otters, cats, and foxes to several different buying outlets (low prices received, but I cant make myself pitch cats, foxes, and otters.) Live market slowed. Some pens offering less than $50/coyote. All my work is pay predator jobs...paying pretty good ($200 to $300/per day with lodging provided and 10 to 14 day minimum runs.) No problem for me to stay busy all with numerous predator jobs and now beaver work.

Late-20teens: Fur market still low. Paid predator & beaver work is easy to get. Both large and small landowners willing to pay for a good trapper. Paid beaver jobs becoming very common...year-round. Groenwold begins making fur buying stops in the Deep South.....I'm assuming due to increasing beaver felt market.

2020 to present: Fur market not impressive, but still alive. Beaver interest increased to 2nd highest I've ever seen in my lifetime. GFWC making numerous buying stops all over the South...giving us deep South trappers an easy outlet to move our otter, bobcats, and foxes, too. Coon interest still pitiful. Paid predator work and beaver jobs are literally everywhere down here for good trappers with the knowledge and equipment to do them right. Coyote live market prices have increased back up to +/- $100 per coyote at a few Georgia training enclosures.

Here we are!


Excellent read!

Re: How have you evolved? [Re: Wanna Be] #8345444
02/18/25 01:11 AM
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I went from a non trapper to a trapper. How's that for evolution? XD

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Started out with a bottle of lure in the pocket some waxpaper trap and stake sifter in one hand trowel and hatchet in the other bending over and not breathing while making a set and evolved to a truckload of stuff satchel full of lures baits urine and not being able to bend over devolved into bottle of lure or urine disposable stake, driver same whisk broom hatchet and ball of waxpaper under the pan poke hole with the driver until rolling around till I could get up got tiresome Now its a few conibears and dogproofs Would like to catch mink at least in my mind but thr creeks are all at the bottom of hills


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