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Re: Direct injection [Re: AJE] #8344381
02/17/25 12:31 AM
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The other night my cousin was at the local archery club & he said several guys were talking about their new trucks having battery issues.

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Re: Direct injection [Re: 3togo] #8344607
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Originally Posted by 3togo
Block heaters are a big plus.

It sure seems to be. Today I hit 205° only a half mile down the road. I had the block heater on a timer last night to turn on at 2:30 am. Also, I avoided running the heater/radio this AM & I charged the (very low) battery last night.

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Re: Direct injection [Re: AJE] #8344611
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Originally Posted by AJE
The other night my cousin was at the local archery club & he said several guys were talking about their new trucks having battery issues.


Too many electronics on board nowadays.

Re: Direct injection [Re: k snow] #8345417
02/18/25 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by k snow
Originally Posted by AJE
The other night my cousin was at the local archery club & he said several guys were talking about their new trucks having battery issues.


Too many electronics on board nowadays.

That was my thought too.

Re: Direct injection [Re: AJE] #8345644
02/18/25 11:16 AM
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If it's cold, and I'm not going to drive my truck every day, I popped the hood and put the battery tender on it. You'll be surprised to probably see that the charge light comes on after driving it 40 miles. And, yes, my gages work.

Re: Direct injection [Re: 330-Trapper] #8346287
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
With your battery low

You're not running it long enough for the alternator to charge the battery.

Probably so. I have been trying to run it a litle more & I'm looking forward to getting setup so I can use my tender.

Man is it cold out tonight.

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Re: Direct injection [Re: 330-Trapper] #8346350
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
With your battery low

You're not running it long enough for the alternator to charge the battery.

More starts than miles.


x2 get them warmed up good and use them often in the cold


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Re: Direct injection [Re: loosegoose] #8347128
02/20/25 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
It's almost certainly not washing past the rings. The high pressure fuel pump sits on top of/inside the valve cover and runs off of a lobe on the cam. When the leak, they leak internal to the engine, and spray a fine mist of fuel into the engine. This fine mist not only dilutes the oil, but it gets sucked up by the PCV system and burned. Because this extra fuel wasn't metered, it creates a rich condition, which is the cause of your rich codes. I'm kind of surprised the dealer didn't know this. I've done several high pressure fuel pumps for this exact issue on Chevy 4 cylinders. Is it under warranty? My guess is that it's an expensive job and they don't want to warranty it.

I don't know whether or not the dealer knew about the part in bold. Likely they are aware of what you are describing. I didn't specifically ask them in those terms, and your description is perhaps more detailed than what a dealer would typically describe to customers.

They don't think there is a fuel leak in the engine, but I'll keep that possibilty in mind.

I got what might be considered a '2nd opinion' today by talking to the most knowledgeable unbiased engine guru I know--a vehicular genius basically. He said the dealer's diagnosis makes sense to him, though he didn't dig in & do a physical inspection.

I'm still researching the issue. It's been working good since I got it back from the dealer but that doesn't mean for sure that I've found a long term solution yet. I've been driving it more & using a block heater.

These below zero temps are getting kind of old but it is winter in Wi.

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Re: Direct injection [Re: AJE] #8347370
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If the video was watched, the fuel dilution is caused during warm up before all metal components are up to temperature and dimensional size. Fuel is leaking past piston rings that are not yet sealing against the cylinder wall.

The fuel pump is just doing its job. If it's a Bosch CP4 pump, they are used on many different manufacturers engines and problems have occurred for every make.

Re: Direct injection [Re: AJE] #8347444
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Excess fuel has been getting into the engine when it's cold, correct. In that sense, I suppose one could loosely use the word "leak" to describe how it's getting in there

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Re: Direct injection [Re: 3togo] #8348951
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Originally Posted by 3togo
Most engines now are direct injection.

Cars, SUVs & vans too?

Re: Direct injection [Re: AJE] #8348960
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A cold start on any engine will have some kind of fuel leakage given it is a conternal combustion motor. There are tolerance for moving parts and heat expansion. Otherwise it would just cease to run. That said drive it like you stold it once and a wile and break it in.

Re: Direct injection [Re: AJE] #8349076
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Originally Posted by AJE
Originally Posted by 3togo
Most engines now are direct injection.

Cars, SUVs & vans too?


Yeppers. Chsing the EPA's fuel economy mandates.

Re: Direct injection [Re: AJE] #8349148
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Look for a southern Chevy with the vortec 1999 to 2005

Re: Direct injection [Re: AJE] #8349219
02/22/25 11:16 AM
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Most interesting article on this issue I've found yet and it just happened to appear on the Yahoo home page this morning:

https://autos.yahoo.com/no-probably-dont-warm-car-153600483.html

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