OK please explain this to me. A farm test positive for bird flu. YOU THEN KILL all the chickens to keep them from getting sick and dying ? If no chickens leave the farm how will it spread? (egg producers) How do they know some chickens aren't immune? Everyone doesn't get the flu.It's a wild born illness so it's going to spread naturally. If chickens are nose to tail in a chicken house eating each others crap they can get sick. Heck free range chickens get sick. Had one farmer on news complaining the soil tested positive. BUT if feds going to pay you to kill them why not ????

It's not that simple. I'd They have to die because it's easy to transmit

Being the life of a hen in a big operation is 2 to 3 years I wonder if the value is prorated. My guess is no and this program is ripe for abuse.

I seen a ton of bird flu deniers out there some are way out there to even blame chemicals and planes spreading the virus with the trails they leave at high altitudes. Until you see it in action it’s undeniable it’s a true killer and an efficient killer of (certain) species of birds.

Here no chicken is spared that I ever heard of, my first dealing with the bird flu the birds died off in smaller groups I finished the rest off. The second time I wanted to see if any would survive and none did 100% die off. Neighbor was not impacted the year I was hit in the spring and fall and he’s only 100 yards further from the lake I live on, he was good the next year again.

This year out of the blue he lost every bird he had but it did not impact his ducks they never got sick in any way. The lake has a lot of snows that come through spring and fall. Thousand dead all over the countryside some Canada geese but that’s rare the snows were dead or dying all over the countryside. Never seen any dead ducks on the lake over the years the Eagles here (30) seem unaffected owls have been dying but only 2 that I’ve heard of.

Some confusion might be from the different strains of the virus. I’m sure some folks were ready to say it’s killing duck and some strains might do that just not here yet. From the info I read ducks can be a carrier for a few weeks and not be impacted by the virus. I can look out when the larger flocks are on the lake in the morning and count dozens of bird lumps or flopping birds laying on the ice. The flights go out and the ones remaining are dead geese walking for some reason they die on the roads a lot, many make it to fields miles away to walk around aimlessly until they tip over.

There’s a program to pay the producers for their losses at different levels of the birds use layer/meat but it’s nowhere near what it would cost to raise and purchase replacements. I lost 70 birds 35 and 35 that year what they would have payed was nowhere close to replacement chicks prices let alone the feed and time to the first eggs. If they offer any government program I run in the other direction.

That's just it Law Dog, I've seen no dead geese ,duck ,sparrows ,black birds, and or chickens. Is it only the wild survivors that make it this far south? I also wonder if coyotes have been tested? They love dead piles on chicken farms

I’d think the chickens need to make contact with the virus but being a virus the quarantine period is 120 days when you report it then you get a nice letter in the mail. LOL

It’s in bird dropping so that possibly is endless.

Bird flu can be spread from house to house by wild birds, many of which are not harmed by the flu.
The sooner you kill the entire house and sterilize it, the less chance there is for wild birds to contract it from those infected chickens and spread it to other chicken houses.

Joel Salatin was just on a podcast talking If we would farm in a natural way then the chickens would build a resiliency like wild bird do. The ones that die would die and the survivers would pass on stronger immunity.

They shouldn't have to kill all the chickens if the farming practice changes for the better of chickens and men alike.

If wishes were fishes we'd fill the boat and go home.

I'm sure we're in good hands with RFK Jr and what's left of HHS. Maybe we can try that bleach technique that was suggested earlier . . .

It is also in the dead waterfowl your cats drag up from the lake that died from it.

Had some guys here who raise pheasants for their hunting operations get bird flu 2 years in a row now, they tried keeping it quiet so they wouldn’t have to kill their birds hoping that some would survive. So far in 2 years none have.

Biggest spreaders are English Sparrows,European Starling,and Pigeons.All the ones that hits the barns.
I'm doing my best at my feeders to rid them.

Here some layer houses the disease was brought in by workers.

"Farm in a natural way." If we had to rely on all of our eggs produced in a natural way, we would be paying more for a dozen eggs than we are now.
It isn't even close to as cost efficient as mass produced eggs in chicken houses.

Chickens don’t fly, ducks and geese do. Ducks and geese don’t land in chicken barns. Pcr tests test positive on just about everything. Even your desk. Why does Mexico not have bird flu?

What danger does an outdoorsman have hunting wild birds? Bringing home wild upland bird and handling how much caution and what should hunters do?

Carl, Joel farms in a way that's as close to God as he can make it. How can he go wrong. We need things to get better not more corrupt. Why should a whole farm go down because of the government.

That was the conclusion we came to the cats feeding on the dead geese then bring bird parts back to the home place. The same cats drink out of the bird waterers is another possibility. Like others said small birds hitting the feed thats laying around. A few thousand geese coming and going drooping crap all over is also a way to spread it.