Holy Grail
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03/04/25 07:59 PM
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Central Texas
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The Holy Grail of coyote control trapping is a warm weather M44 pull bait/lure. That is what I am after.
Any help would be appreciated.
My current go-to bait is as follows:
6 oz. Coyote brains 6 oz. Coyote liver 1 oz. Beaver tail oil 1 oz. Glycerine 1/2 oz. Beaver castor 3 drops lovage 2 TB sodium benzoate
All ground fresh in a little blender. It gets real soft and creamy. Nice for smearing on a bait head.
Let sit for a week before setting if I have time. If not, I’m not afraid to set it same day.
I’m always trying little variations. Any ideas to make it better?
Bridges Predator Control Serving Central Texas
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Re: Holy Grail
[Re: Centex Trapper]
#8358016
03/05/25 12:07 PM
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No suggestions but thanks for the recipe. I'll be sure to add it to my books.
NYSTA, NTA, FTA, life member Erie county trappers assn.,life member Catt.county trappers
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Re: Holy Grail
[Re: sportsman94]
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03/05/25 03:56 PM
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Nevadafornia
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I don’t have definitive answers, but maybe some honey or lard? I made some pork belly burnt ends this evening and the lard that rendered out of that pork belly in the smoker might make a good ingredient according to how my dog was licking the grass where I poured the grease I think he was looking for a warm weather lure. While lard/fats are great attractants in the fall when animals are trying to bulk up for the winter, they lose a lot of their attraction in warm weather and get hard to work with. Same with honey; it's a good fall/early winter ingredient but gets real messy in warm weather.
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Re: Holy Grail
[Re: Centex Trapper]
#8358585
03/06/25 12:09 AM
03/06/25 12:09 AM
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Central Texas
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I use coyote brain and liver because that is what I used in the first batch I made last spring. It worked, so I stuck with it. Plus I have a steady supply of them since I trap nearly year round.
Our coyotes are funny about beef. I think we did too much 1080 baiting way back when. So I stick with wild game that has not been given any medications. I have used deer brain and liver, but it did not do as well as coyote for me. We don’t have beaver here, so that is out. I’m not even sure if all brains and livers smell the same or not. I’d love to hear some info on it.
I used glycerine because I had it on hand. I am also trying lanolin, but I haven’t got enough tests to get a significant result. I’m just trying to keep the lure from drying out on the bait head. Glycerine is stable at warmer and cooler temps.
I have fiddled with rendered bone marrow in place of and in addition to glycerine. I got it from a friend and I’m now out of it. It seemed to work fine. But I’m out now.
I have tried many, many professional lures and have some favorites. But I think natural is best, especially on warmer nights.
I hope to make 10-20 variations of lure this spring and set out grab sticks to test what gets pulled best. I’ll try cultured eggs for sure.
We do not have a high density of coyotes here. So testing may prove hard. But I’m going to give it my best shot. Thanks everyone for your input so far. Just trying to learn as I go.
Last edited by Centex Trapper; 03/06/25 12:10 AM.
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Re: Holy Grail
[Re: Centex Trapper]
#8360804
03/09/25 11:13 AM
03/09/25 11:13 AM
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Central Texas
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I ordered the lube. In place of glycerine, I also thought about using…
Leftover BBQ fat Bacon grease Cultured egg base (as Mark suggested) Used cooking oil I am testing lanolin now Rendering some deer organ fat I don’t know how to render fat. I’d like input on the best way.
I hope to eventually have many variations so I can rotate the lures.
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Re: Holy Grail
[Re: Centex Trapper]
#8362298
03/11/25 12:35 PM
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While they like the smell of beaver sac oil, in my experience most animals don't like the taste of it, so I don't know that I would add it to a grab'n'pull lure. But I have no experience with grab'n'pull lures so take that for what it is worth. Lanolin will get very hard at cold temperatures and I think its melting point is 80-100 degrees. Which may work for you for a warm weather lure. It does not work well for a cold weather lure here because it gets too hard, but I melt it and add beaver tail oil to it and use it as my base for my marten lure. With the BTO added (plus the other ingredients) its melting point is even lower, but it stays the consistency of peanut butter down to about -25, which makes it a good cold weather lure base for me.
Last edited by bearcat2; 03/21/25 11:36 AM. Reason: didn't specify I was talking about beaver sac oil in first sentence
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Re: Holy Grail
[Re: Centex Trapper]
#8403320
05/14/25 09:03 AM
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Central Texas
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Update on Holy Grail…
We have been blessed with cool nights lately in Central Texas. But we had our first 100 degree day yesterday. Lows in the 70s.
Now my testing begins on my M44 concoctions.
By the way… I have had good luck lately on T-Bone foot trap sets using Brains mixed with Cheez Whiz. It sounds too simple to work, but my results are good right now.
I have an ongoing debate in my head about how much location matters vs the bait and lure. For example - I find tracks on a livestock trail. I put in a trail set with a baited T-bone on the upwind side and a little lure on the downwind side. It is my most productive set.
Now I’m starting to put a set 50 yards up the trail and 10 yards upwind of the trail. So far, I have not caught anything in the “off trail” set. My idea is that the coyote should smell my off trail set first and get caught before he gets to my trail set. So far that has not happened. I’m just stubborn enough to keep trying for a while.
So location is winning so far. I do not have confidence that I can draw a coyote more than a couple feet off his travel route.
On two track roads, I set as close to the tire track as possible without the trap being run over. Just fyi.
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Re: Holy Grail
[Re: Centex Trapper]
#8407358
05/21/25 10:05 PM
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Central Texas
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Brains are preserved fresh with sodium benzoate. I harvested them fresh and mixed them with SB right away. I stirred them every day for a week. Then I started using them.
The cheese whiz is right out of the store.
I only make four ounces at a time. I use it over a few days. Then I clean it out and make another four ounces.
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