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Holy Grail #8357499
03/04/25 07:59 PM
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The Holy Grail of coyote control trapping is a warm weather M44 pull bait/lure. That is what I am after.

Any help would be appreciated.

My current go-to bait is as follows:

6 oz. Coyote brains
6 oz. Coyote liver
1 oz. Beaver tail oil
1 oz. Glycerine
1/2 oz. Beaver castor
3 drops lovage
2 TB sodium benzoate

All ground fresh in a little blender. It gets real soft and creamy. Nice for smearing on a bait head.

Let sit for a week before setting if I have time. If not, I’m not afraid to set it same day.

I’m always trying little variations. Any ideas to make it better?


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Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8357504
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Nice! Thankyou for sharing this.

Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8357580
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I don’t have definitive answers, but maybe some honey or lard? I made some pork belly burnt ends this evening and the lard that rendered out of that pork belly in the smoker might make a good ingredient according to how my dog was licking the grass where I poured the grease

Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8358016
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No suggestions but thanks for the recipe. I'll be sure to add it to my books.


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Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8358044
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Tag for reference. Thank you for sharing


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Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8358130
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So the more I look at your formula, I have a couple of questions. The coyote brains and coyote liver. Why coyote and not some other critter like beef, deer, beaver, ect.? Next question. The glycerin. Why is this in there as apposed to another natural oil or another ounce of tail oil? Just curious.

Re: Holy Grail [Re: sportsman94] #8358174
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Originally Posted by sportsman94
I don’t have definitive answers, but maybe some honey or lard? I made some pork belly burnt ends this evening and the lard that rendered out of that pork belly in the smoker might make a good ingredient according to how my dog was licking the grass where I poured the grease


I think he was looking for a warm weather lure. While lard/fats are great attractants in the fall when animals are trying to bulk up for the winter, they lose a lot of their attraction in warm weather and get hard to work with. Same with honey; it's a good fall/early winter ingredient but gets real messy in warm weather.

Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8358177
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The only ingredient I'd suggest you tinker with is trimethylamine. It's found in some fly baits. Go to Lowe's and look for the little greenish yellow pouches you add water to. They have a little packet of it in the fly trap. Try a little and see what happens. But don't tell anyone.

Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8358260
03/05/25 05:52 PM
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I would suggest using some Cultured Eggs. The good thick type.

For me the C. eggs seem to work as a mild emulsifier, helping to hold other ingredients together. Plus it has its own attraction benefits.

Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8358585
03/06/25 12:09 AM
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I use coyote brain and liver because that is what I used in the first batch I made last spring. It worked, so I stuck with it. Plus I have a steady supply of them since I trap nearly year round.

Our coyotes are funny about beef. I think we did too much 1080 baiting way back when. So I stick with wild game that has not been given any medications. I have used deer brain and liver, but it did not do as well as coyote for me. We don’t have beaver here, so that is out. I’m not even sure if all brains and livers smell the same or not. I’d love to hear some info on it.

I used glycerine because I had it on hand. I am also trying lanolin, but I haven’t got enough tests to get a significant result. I’m just trying to keep the lure from drying out on the bait head. Glycerine is stable at warmer and cooler temps.

I have fiddled with rendered bone marrow in place of and in addition to glycerine. I got it from a friend and I’m now out of it. It seemed to work fine. But I’m out now.

I have tried many, many professional lures and have some favorites. But I think natural is best, especially on warmer nights.

I hope to make 10-20 variations of lure this spring and set out grab sticks to test what gets pulled best. I’ll try cultured eggs for sure.

We do not have a high density of coyotes here. So testing may prove hard. But I’m going to give it my best shot. Thanks everyone for your input so far. Just trying to learn as I go.

Last edited by Centex Trapper; 03/06/25 12:10 AM.

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Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8358766
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Very good! Be sure to let us know how things pan out!

Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8359800
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I use a food grade grease that has a low melting point and stays pliable when it gets cold. I buy it on amazon "super lube" -45f to450f

Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8360198
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Is super lube easy to heat up and liquify for easy mixing with other ingredients?


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Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8360804
03/09/25 11:13 AM
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I ordered the lube. In place of glycerine, I also thought about using…

Leftover BBQ fat
Bacon grease
Cultured egg base (as Mark suggested)
Used cooking oil
I am testing lanolin now
Rendering some deer organ fat
I don’t know how to render fat. I’d like input on the best way.

I hope to eventually have many variations so I can rotate the lures.


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Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8360821
03/09/25 11:36 AM
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Rendering fat you just need fat and heat. If you can grind the fat or cut it into small chunks first. You can let it sun render or put it over some heat in your kitchen. I’ve never tried fat from around a deers organs, but both cow and deer fat set up hard. I don’t know if your other ingredients would be enough to make it more pliable or not. Maybe mixing pork fat and deer fat could make it the right consistency to smear easy without being too soft or hard

Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8360822
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I put some leftover fat drippings from the smoker in a hole at a set the other day. Just waiting on a coyote to come through so I can see how much they want to get it

Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8360845
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Ok. Good info guys. Thanks.


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Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8360873
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When adding/mixing ingredients to the super lube I first mix it with beaver sack oil then add to the lube without heating, I find that the sack oil mixes better with what Im using. The lube being tasteless/odorless may work for a bait, I have found it stays put in temperature swings that I experience.

Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8362298
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While they like the smell of beaver sac oil, in my experience most animals don't like the taste of it, so I don't know that I would add it to a grab'n'pull lure. But I have no experience with grab'n'pull lures so take that for what it is worth. Lanolin will get very hard at cold temperatures and I think its melting point is 80-100 degrees. Which may work for you for a warm weather lure. It does not work well for a cold weather lure here because it gets too hard, but I melt it and add beaver tail oil to it and use it as my base for my marten lure. With the BTO added (plus the other ingredients) its melting point is even lower, but it stays the consistency of peanut butter down to about -25, which makes it a good cold weather lure base for me.

Last edited by bearcat2; 03/21/25 11:36 AM. Reason: didn't specify I was talking about beaver sac oil in first sentence
Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8369307
03/21/25 05:16 AM
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I had an old friend that was a trapper and a lure maker back in the 1980's. He has passed on now. I remember him mentioning sun rendered chicken fat. I don't remember if he was using it straight or using it in a base. Anyone else ever tried it ?

Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8369325
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camlock, there are a few chicken fat based "bite and pull" lures on the market now that are good.

Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8370005
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Good to know. I’ll add it to my testing list.


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Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8403320
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Update on Holy Grail…

We have been blessed with cool nights lately in Central Texas. But we had our first 100 degree day yesterday. Lows in the 70s.

Now my testing begins on my M44 concoctions.

By the way… I have had good luck lately on T-Bone foot trap sets using Brains mixed with Cheez Whiz. It sounds too simple to work, but my results are good right now.

I have an ongoing debate in my head about how much location matters vs the bait and lure. For example - I find tracks on a livestock trail. I put in a trail set with a baited T-bone on the upwind side and a little lure on the downwind side. It is my most productive set.

Now I’m starting to put a set 50 yards up the trail and 10 yards upwind of the trail. So far, I have not caught anything in the “off trail” set. My idea is that the coyote should smell my off trail set first and get caught before he gets to my trail set. So far that has not happened. I’m just stubborn enough to keep trying for a while.

So location is winning so far. I do not have confidence that I can draw a coyote more than a couple feet off his travel route.

On two track roads, I set as close to the tire track as possible without the trap being run over. Just fyi.


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Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8403559
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Thanks for the update! Are the brains/ cheese wiz lure fresh brain or tainted or rotted? I also am in the school to set very close to line of travel and not try to pull a coyote. Keep us posted!

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Brains are preserved fresh with sodium benzoate. I harvested them fresh and mixed them with SB right away. I stirred them every day for a week. Then I started using them.

The cheese whiz is right out of the store.

I only make four ounces at a time. I use it over a few days. Then I clean it out and make another four ounces.


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Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8408945
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I've never seen an m-44 so take this as you will but, what if you used something to hold a runnier lure? Like a chunk of fur or the stuff they wrap horses ankles with? Thats what I do for my grab sets. Just my 2 cents

Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8411482
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I've never been able to pull them more than a few feet from the wheel ruts either.

And Ive used many, many brands of lure over the years.


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Re: Holy Grail [Re: Centex Trapper] #8412205
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The only consistent way I've seen to draw them much of any distance is with large baits, and by large I mean hundred pound minimum. And that doesn't always work. Fish and Game really fouled us here when they made it so you can't set in the roads a couple years ago. Because they travel roads. So now I have to find other places they consistently travel (very, very few places they travel as consistently as a road), old roads that are nondriveable we can set, or I set as close to the road as possible, oftentimes so close that there could be some argument whether one jaw is in the road or not. I figure two to three steps is all the farther I want to try and pull them, and less if possible.

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