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So how can this not work #8359895
03/07/25 09:17 PM
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So what are the problems with this ?
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Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8359896
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So long as it rains enough should work good


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Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8359897
03/07/25 09:19 PM
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Ill go. That cow wouldve been pretty thirsty the last 2 years around here

Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8359903
03/07/25 09:24 PM
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Well, the water catch barrel does not have the capacity to keep the tank full, unless you have a very wet climate. A bigger storage tank would be more better.


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Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8359907
03/07/25 09:26 PM
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If possible I would have a back up water supply.


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Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8359912
03/07/25 09:29 PM
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You can easily stack caged IBC Totes, so that they flow into each other and retain more water.

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Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8359926
03/07/25 09:43 PM
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Filtration, particularly if leaves are anywhere nearby. Depending on roof material possible heavy metal issues, thinking lead boots but possible others.

Next capacity. Ideally you want to catch and hold every drop. Square footage would be important as well. And of course balanced against demand.

Like others have said have a ready back up source as nothing is ever perfectly balanced.

And if storing longterm some measure to keep it potable and not breeding nasties like mosquitos.


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Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8359970
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You’re one invention away from windshield wipers on a goat’s behind. Keep after it!!!
Seriously, looks sound to me!

Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8359989
03/07/25 11:01 PM
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I mean when humans have rain water system's the most important part is filtration, but it depends on what birds you've got in the area I guess.

Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8360004
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We use 1500 gallon tanks at the end of each side of the barns. Bury a freeze proof hydrant with 1" PVC coming out of the bulkhead. Use panels to enclose the exposed pipe and cover with a minimum of three feet of used straw. I will take pictures over the weekend of the different types we have installed.

Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8360026
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That cow is about to turn 180 degrees and take a dump in that thing.


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Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8360029
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My thoughts
1 You need to protect the holding tank and the piping to the watering tank or the cattle will destroy it quickly
2. As stated the roof collection area may not be large enough to keep enough water in the tank. Even beef cows will dring 15-20 gallons per day, more when hotter
3. You many need to have a taller holding tank and keep it full to have the head pressure you need to supply the tank.
4. During the warm season the water coming off the roof will be warmed and you may grow a lot of algae and scum in both the holding tank and the watering tank.
You can buy plastic tanks with bottom valves to empty. If it were me I would mount one on a wagon or trailer and fill it and take it out to the site and you can have the gutter to collect rainfall as well. This will give you more head pressure, capacity and still be mobile. If water gets bad animals drink less thus eat less and gain slower.

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Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8360074
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Storage tank needs to be elevated to the point that the bottom of it is close to the level of where the float in the stock tank is. Set up on blocks or something. Otherwise you're only using, from the looks of it, about half the capacity of the storage tank. Water won't run uphill.

Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8360099
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A cover on the gutter would keep leaves out of the tank.


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Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8360105
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Problem need a bigger storage barrel. people underestimate how much water a roof catches in a good rain . A 50x20 roof(1000sq ft) will get 300 gallons on a half inch rain.

Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8360106
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That valve, will it be able to close with the weight of that water in the barrel? It’ll need a longer arm and the cow will screw with it.
Looks like a the guy who drew it is onto something anyways.


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Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8360123
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As previously noted, as shown, only part of the water in the barrel would flow to the tank. Once the water levels are equal, valve would stay open and water levels in barrel and tank would drop to level of the connecting pipe, then livestock would drain the tank dry. So bigger tank and connector lower.....maybe underground.

General concept is not new. Many farm houses had a cistern.....a big underground tank......that was used to catch rain water off roofs. Many of those even used for drinking water. Pulled up by a hand pump. Used in place of, or in addition to, a dug well.

Have thought the concept could also be used in all homes, catching rain water to be used for flushing toilets, watering plants, gardens and such. Tank would have to be big and tall, but concept is doable.


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Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8360125
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Aside from collecting rain water, general process is no different than any public water system that uses water towers and stand pipes. They are all gravity fed. Water is only pumped into the tower.

A farm pond with pipe thru the dam and tank below is the same, except the pond is bigger than the barrel. BEST of those I've ever seen has a long but skinny tank mostly buried in the pond dam, with only a very small area exposed for animals to drink from. Being buried deep, water in the tank rarely, if ever, freezes.

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Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8360130
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Originally Posted by HayDay
As previously noted, as shown, only part of the water in the barrel would flow to the tank. Once the water levels are equal, valve would stay open and water levels in barrel and tank would drop to level of the connecting pipe, then livestock would drain the tank dry. So bigger tank and connector lower.....maybe underground.

General concept is not new. Many farm houses had a cistern.....a big underground tank......that was used to catch rain water off roofs. Many of those even used for drinking water. Pulled up by a hand pump. Used in place of, or in addition to, a dug well.

Have thought the concept could also be used in all homes, catching rain water to be used for flushing toilets, watering plants, gardens and such. Tank would have to be big and tall, but concept is doable.



Big problem with cisterns is bacteria. When my grandparents passed away and my parents got the house, Mom had the water twawrsd and it was not good. We scrubbed and disinfected the walls and floors and still no good at least according to the lab. Course they loved in that house for 50+ years so it couldn't of been that bad.

Re: So how can this not work [Re: Wolfdog91] #8360178
03/08/25 09:59 AM
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That set up would be dry in One day
Cattle drink a lot


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