Re: Blocking deportations?
[Re: AKAjust]
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03/31/25 04:06 PM
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I'm not going to be\popular with this but... Its how they are collecting the illegals And the lack of sorting them out. If they are illegals,,,they are already sorted out enough for me.Get rid of em.Apply to come back the right way.
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Re: Blocking deportations?
[Re: 2zwudz]
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03/31/25 04:11 PM
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It took 9 years to get my stepson over from Colombia. It’s my understanding that all legal immigration from “sheet-hole” countries has now been paused/halted. So the legal avenue for coming in is not there.
For those that think the illegals are costing taxpayers money, look at that 25 billion SS contribution from people that have no rights to any SS benefits and tell me that is not helping keep SS afloat! At least for longer than it would be.
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Re: Blocking deportations?
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03/31/25 04:23 PM
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It took 9 years to get my stepson over from Colombia. It’s my understanding that all legal immigration from “sheet-hole” countries has now been paused/halted. So the legal avenue for coming in is not there.
For those that think the illegals are costing taxpayers money, look at that 25 billion SS contribution from people that have no rights to any SS benefits and tell me that is not helping keep SS afloat! At least for longer than it would be. Social Security would be fine if the Gubment would just use it for its intended purpose,,and quit using like the goose that layed the golden egg.And,,25 billion is peanuts compared to what it costs tax payers to give these illegals FREE EVERYTHING,,,school,, medical,,housing and energy to run it,,cards to get food with,,the list goes on and on.
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Re: Blocking deportations?
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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03/31/25 04:25 PM
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It took 9 years to get my stepson over from Colombia. It’s my understanding that all legal immigration from “sheet-hole” countries has now been paused/halted. So the legal avenue for coming in is not there.
For those that think the illegals are costing taxpayers money, look at that 25 billion SS contribution from people that have no rights to any SS benefits and tell me that is not helping keep SS afloat! At least for longer than it would be. Pick one thing and over look others. What about the school systems being over loaded with non English speaking students, hospitals being use like a family doctor and hours wait times and bill that will never be paid raisin all Healthcare cost in addition to all the social services that are geting used. The cost far exceeds what your talking about both socially and economically. Yes you have family involvement so it's personal. He did it legally kind of spitting in his face all those doing it illegal and if what you say is right an legal had been paused the illegals are to blame for that NOT those that want to enforce our laws. So by your own words illegal imitation hurts those trying to do so legal.
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Re: Blocking deportations?
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It took 9 years to get my stepson over from Colombia. It’s my understanding that all legal immigration from “sheet-hole” countries has now been paused/halted. So the legal avenue for coming in is not there.
For those that think the illegals are costing taxpayers money, look at that 25 billion SS contribution from people that have no rights to any SS benefits and tell me that is not helping keep SS afloat! At least for longer than it would be. No one’s putting a gun to any illegals head and forcing them to pay SS. Come here legally and you WILL get the SS you pay into. Don’t like it , stay out/go home/ come back legally. This isn’t hard. Im not thanking any illegal. Osky
www.SureDockusa.com“ I said I don’t have much use for traps these days, never said I didn’t know how to use them.”
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Re: Blocking deportations?
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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03/31/25 05:58 PM
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It took 9 years to get my stepson over from Colombia. It’s my understanding that all legal immigration from “sheet-hole” countries has now been paused/halted. So the legal avenue for coming in is not there.
For those that think the illegals are costing taxpayers money, look at that 25 billion SS contribution from people that have no rights to any SS benefits and tell me that is not helping keep SS afloat! At least for longer than it would be. Carl, here's the official research on.it. Some illegal Aliens work, but on average each of them costs us $68,000.00 a year beyond what any work they do as a whole generates. We need a better guest worker program, that is easy to use, rather than people who are a net drain on our society. https://www.congress.gov/118/meetin...G-118-JU01-Wstate-CamarotaS-20240111.pdfKeith
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Re: Blocking deportations?
[Re: 2zwudz]
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03/31/25 06:11 PM
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Keith I agree completely that I don't want anybody here that is costing us money. I don't believe that it is true that the true cost of illegals being here s 68,000 a year. In fact, I'm pretty certain that if you plug in the value of what hard working people add to our GNP the number is likely the opposite of that figure.
Somebody mentioned schools. When you live in the state of Oregon your property taxes pay the bulk of the money that schools get. Illegals that rent housing are paying those taxes as much as anybody else. I have yet to see homeless illegals living in tents.
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Re: Blocking deportations?
[Re: 2zwudz]
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If you overstayed your work visa without other criminal activity, you get to go home and be allowed a chance to do it right. If you entered illegally to begin with, you are never given the chance to do it right. That would be my compromise.
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Re: Blocking deportations?
[Re: 2zwudz]
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Illegal immigrants are a net fiscal drain, meaning they receive more in government services than they pay in taxes. This result is not due to laziness or fraud. Illegal immigrants actually have high rates of work, and they do pay some taxes, including income and payroll taxes. The fundamental reason that illegal immigrants are a net drain is that they have a low average education level, which results in low average earnings and tax payments. It also means a large share qualify for welfare programs, often receiving benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children. Like their less-educated and low-income U.S.-born counterparts, the tax payments of illegal immigrants do not come close to covering the cost they create.
Osky
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Re: Blocking deportations?
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If you overstayed your work visa without other criminal activity, you get to go home and be allowed a chance to do it right. If you entered illegally to begin with, you are never given the chance to do it right. That would be my compromise. Really? I’m not risking legally entering the US and wind up getting detained at the border because I had a pardoned DUI 31 years ago. This lady did nothing wrong, mighty neighbourly. Anyone from another country entering the US legally is rolling the dice with their freedom……not worth the risk. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney
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Re: Blocking deportations?
[Re: 2zwudz]
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03/31/25 08:00 PM
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Google, DOGE finds illegals receive ssi numbers. Millions of them received one in the last few years. 
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: Blocking deportations?
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03/31/25 08:36 PM
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Google, DOGE finds illegals receive ssi numbers. Millions of them received one in the last few years.  BS! What they get are ITIN numbers. It IS NOT the same. I think you're confusing that LEGAL immigrants that are green card holders (like my step son) automatically receive social security numbers as soon as they become legal and apply for one....so that they can work.
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Re: Blocking deportations?
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03/31/25 08:47 PM
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Re: Blocking deportations?
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03/31/25 09:00 PM
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Keith I agree completely that I don't want anybody here that is costing us money. I don't believe that it is true that the true cost of illegals being here s 68,000 a year. I dont either. Its WAY more after you do the math.Do some research.
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Re: Blocking deportations?
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Google, DOGE finds illegals receive ssi numbers. Millions of them received one in the last few years.  BS! What they get are ITIN numbers. It IS NOT the same. I think you're confusing that LEGAL immigrants that are green card holders (like my step son) automatically receive social security numbers as soon as they become legal and apply for one....so that they can work. I think your confusing illegal immigrants,,with people that belong here.
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Re: Blocking deportations?
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If your not a citizen you don't get American rights.
The Bill of Rights applies to everyone on American soil. US citizens and illegal immigrants, doesn’t matter.
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Re: Blocking deportations?
[Re: Osky]
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03/31/25 09:07 PM
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Illegal immigrants are a net fiscal drain, meaning they receive more in government services than they pay in taxes. This result is not due to laziness or fraud. Illegal immigrants actually have high rates of work, and they do pay some taxes, including income and payroll taxes. The fundamental reason that illegal immigrants are a net drain is that they have a low average education level, which results in low average earnings and tax payments. It also means a large share qualify for welfare programs, often receiving benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children. Like their less-educated and low-income U.S.-born counterparts, the tax payments of illegal immigrants do not come close to covering the cost they create.
Osky That's exactly what the government found in the PDF I linked. Illegal aliens and low quality legal aliens are bad for our country and should be expelled. Most don't feel any stigma using our social programs, which makes even working, low skill aliens a net drain on our economy. Guest workers, who come by themselves, to do work such as picking fruit, could be beneficial if they are completely ineligible from receiving the social services, that most aliens use and abuse. Keith
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Re: Blocking deportations?
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03/31/25 09:14 PM
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Google, DOGE finds illegals receive ssi numbers. Millions of them received one in the last few years.  BS! What they get are ITIN numbers. It IS NOT the same. I think you're confusing that LEGAL immigrants that are green card holders (like my step son) automatically receive social security numbers as soon as they become legal and apply for one....so that they can work. Many illegal aliens use stolen Social Security Numbers. What we need is a well thought out guest worker system that allows low skill foreign workers to work legally in the US, without letting them, or their family's becoming a net loss to the American tax payers. It should not be hard to do. Keith
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