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Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: danny clifton] #8386292
04/13/25 02:34 PM
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Although portrayed as a traditional wife, IMO she is not. She's a social media influencer which I don't understand. The mentally challenged subscribe to many of those channels or websites to escape reality. That is also a part of the problem in the world we live in today. Too much technology can be a bad thing and lead to bad results. Some social media is good when it shows you something worthwhile, an influencer is garbage IMO.

Keith, I can agree in part of what you're saying but I'll take it another step further. Much of society needs to quit trying to outdo others which I don't see happening. Most don't need the fancy cars, homes and stuff they buy. A part of that has been the government subsidizing that in the way of ever increasing tax credits for kids. Add in other benefits that are given to some families. Some are very warranted and needed, I know that. I believe in giving a hand up to those families. If you don't think those big tax refunds in many cases are spent on unnecessary items you're delusional.
Now think about this, with the way society is now with all the technology do you really think most women are going to be interested in raising their kids when they can watch the latest social media influencer all day on their smartphone to learn the proper way to be a train wreck for society? NOPE, many will let someone else worry about that and they'll sit and escape reality instead and dream about starting a new website or social media channel of their own.


That is my my opinion and not everyone will agree and that's okay.

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: midlander] #8386294
04/13/25 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by midlander
Thers nothing wrong with stay at home moms...AND, theres nothing wrong with hard working moms that work away from home...


The hard working moms, that work away from the home are inarguably likely to have less successful children. It's a proven, indisputable fact. I doubt there is a single study showing the children of working mom's do better. There are thousands of studies showing they don't. That doesn't mean all children of working moms will turn out poorly, but the children of working moms are much more likely to turn out poorly, than the children of moms who stay home with their children.

Keith

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: danny clifton] #8386299
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but the children of working moms are much more likely to turn out poorly, than the children of moms who stay home with their children.


I tend to agree with Keith on this statement.

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: danny clifton] #8386301
04/13/25 02:53 PM
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I don't believe women should be forced to stay at home to take care of the children. I absolutely believe that it is better that they do stay at home with the children. Couples should make their own decisions on how they want to live, but should know the facts, before doing so.

Keith

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: midlander] #8386329
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Originally Posted by midlander
Thers nothing wrong with stay at home moms...AND, theres nothing wrong with hard working moms that work away from home...

Exactly. No two families are the same, and they need to do what works for them.

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: Paul Dobbins] #8386333
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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
Rhonda has done this for the past 54 years. It has been her calling. She was also 19 when she started her career as a housewife and a mother at 24 years old..


Rachel was 20 when we married 22 when daughter number 1 of 6 was born. We where blessed that she could stay home when needed. When working at home or a job she always worked her butt off. Home support for a spouse or child is no small thing!

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: danny clifton] #8386406
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
A friend of mine went to marriage counseling. Luckily it worked for them. He told me the counselor called him a traditional man. I had the feeling she didn't mean it as a compliment.

Most of them marriage councelors are divorcees,,but their gonna tell you what YOU should do.What a joke.


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Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: danny clifton] #8386415
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Here mom stay home and took care of me and the livestock when dad was working off farm if something serious happened dad would fix it when he got home, moved a lot of pigs at night and on weekends.

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: KeithC] #8386420
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by midlander
Thers nothing wrong with stay at home moms...AND, theres nothing wrong with hard working moms that work away from home...


The hard working moms, that work away from the home are inarguably likely to have less successful children. It's a proven, indisputable fact. I doubt there is a single study showing the children of working mom's do better. There are thousands of studies showing they don't. That doesn't mean all children of working moms will turn out poorly, but the children of working moms are much more likely to turn out poorly, than the children of moms who stay home with their children.

Keith

I just searched 'do kids of working moms do better' based on Keith's above statements. I found plenty of articles and research to suggest they actually do. As Trapdog mentioned above, each family is different.

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: danny clifton] #8386425
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You believe these “studies” ?! Lol not me.

“Studies show...” I call bs

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: danny clifton] #8386426
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four different groups of women.

1) career with no kids
2) career and kids
3) no career and no kids
4) no career and kids.

Number 4 was the happiest,

number 1 the least.

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: JoMiBru] #8386448
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Originally Posted by Dirty D
four different groups of women.

1) career with no kids
2) career and kids
3) no career and no kids
4) no career and kids.

Number 4 was the happiest,

number 1 the least. [/quote[quote=JoMiBru]You believe these “studies” ?! Lol not me.

“Studies show...” I call bs

Most studies show what the author wants them to. Plain and simple.

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: danny clifton] #8386454
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Midlander, please post a link to even one study that found that kids with working moms are typically more successful than kids whose mothers stay in the home. I don't believe there are any.

Keith

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I wasn’t part of a “study” , never was asked , was anyone? Maybe the intended outcome was asked ?

Same people conducting these types of studies are also counting ballots.

Not bashing you Keith, I’m actually surprised you believe in said “studies”. I believe in doing my own research and following first hand observations.

By the way I’m neutral on this subject, just do what’s best for your families well being.

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: danny clifton] #8386477
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Midlander, please post a link to even one study that found that kids with working moms are typically more successful than kids whose mothers stay in the home. I don't believe there are

Keith


Hope these links work, im not a computer genius...


https://www.library.hbs.edu/working-knowledge/kids-of-working-moms-grow-into-happy-adults

https://fortune.com/well/2023/05/13/working-mom-benefits/


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/...ges-for-children-of-working-mothers.html

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Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: midlander] #8386480
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Originally Posted by midlander
Theres nothing wrong with stay at home moms...AND, theres nothing wrong with hard working moms that work away from home...


Ill stand by my original post....

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: midlander] #8386496
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Originally Posted by midlander
Originally Posted by KeithC
Midlander, please post a link to even one study that found that kids with working moms are typically more successful than kids whose mothers stay in the home. I don't believe there are

Keith


Hope these links work, im not a computer genius...


https://www.library.hbs.edu/working-knowledge/kids-of-working-moms-grow-into-happy-adults

https://fortune.com/well/2023/05/13/working-mom-benefits/


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/...ges-for-children-of-working-mothers.html


Thanks.

The first article says:

"In 2015, preliminary results of a groundbreaking study found that the daughters of employed mothers often perform better in their eventual careers than the daughters of stay-at-home moms.

Now the full study has been released, and it brings even more good news for the children of working moms: They wind up just as happy in adulthood as the children of moms who stayed home.

Harvard Business School Professor Kathleen McGinn hopes the findings bring a big sigh of relief for guilt-ridden mothers who either have to hold down a job to make ends meet or simply choose to work outside the home while raising their children.

“People still have this belief that when moms are employed, it’s somehow detrimental to their children,” says McGinn, the Cahners-Rabb Professor of Business Administration. “So our finding that maternal employment doesn’t affect kids’ happiness in adulthood is really important.”"

The reason that is "groundbreaking" is that other studies have never found that. "Often" as it relates to daughters doesn't even mean usually and boys obviously didn't even do that well.

The second article is based on that same study that didn't find that it's usually better for the moms to work for girls and found it's usually worse for boys

The third article is also based on that same study that didn't find that it's usually better for the moms to work for girls and found it's usually worse for boys.

You proved my point.

Keith

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: danny clifton] #8386498
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Mid lander went through the first article study makes "adjustments" for parents education level. And appear to think it's positive that a working mom is more likely to have a working daughter.

I'm from a single working mom home. Mom is a worker sure I got that part down but there is no way shape or fourm way I would not have been better off in a 2 parent home with mom staying home.

Study also just covered working mom not 2 parent homes with stay at home verses working mom vs single working mom.


Keith is correct study after study show 2 parent homes are best with stay at home mom being best . Moms are more likely to get to be able to stay home in a 2 parent home with spouse's support.

Single dad's are very close to 2 parent homes in children's success. single moms are typically much lower in all metrics.

Re: and she is easy on the eyes [Re: midlander] #8386507
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Im not trying to prove my point, or your point...good grief. Read my original post. crazy

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