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Re: Alcohol [Re: loosegoose] #8388646 04/17/25 01:42 PM 04/17/25 01:42 PM
Joined: Mar 2017 Wy G Giant Sage trapper
Giant Sage trapper G Joined: Mar 2017 Wy	Originally Posted by loosegoose When Jesus turned water into wine, the master of the banquet pulled the bridegroom aside and said “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”. The good stuff got drank first while everyone was stone cold sober, then once everyone was tipsy and didn't care, they brought out the swill, but Jesus made the best wine for last. Obviously Jesus knew everyone was tipsy and having a good time, and yet, when they wine ran out, he made even more for everyone to drink. So it would seem that at least every once in a while, intoxication isn't sinful, since the Son of God himself served alcohol to already-intoxicated people. I like your explanation of this passage. This was also the first miracle Jesus did during his ministry. Serving the good wine last, it pointing to the marriage in heaven. This is a spiritual passage about eternity with our creator. The good wine, at the wedding feast. A little wine for thy stomachs sake. The last of the fruits of the spirit mentioned in Galatians ch 5 is about temperance, or self control. Give thanks for all that God has provided. After Paul mentions self control, he mentions against such ther is no law. Now with no law there's no condemnation, only liberty. Christ is King

Re: Alcohol [Re: Husky] #8388650 04/17/25 01:52 PM 04/17/25 01:52 PM
Joined: Dec 2024 AR J J Staton trapper
J Staton trapper J Joined: Dec 2024 AR	I guess what I don't understand is the attempt to justify alcohol use knowing that it leads to many folks destruction. I'm speaking of professed believers with my statement.

Re: Alcohol [Re: J Staton] #8388675 04/17/25 02:35 PM 04/17/25 02:35 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak D Dirt trapper
Dirt trapper D Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak	Originally Posted by J Staton I guess what I don't understand is the attempt to justify alcohol use knowing that it leads to many folks destruction. I'm speaking of professed believers with my statement. They probably engage in usury too. Who is John Galt?

Re: Alcohol [Re: J Staton] #8388682 04/17/25 02:44 PM 04/17/25 02:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2020 Missouri O Osagan trapper
Osagan trapper O Joined: Sep 2020 Missouri	Originally Posted by J Staton I guess what I don't understand is the attempt to justify alcohol use knowing that it leads to many folks destruction. I'm speaking of professed believers with my statement. Some can handle it, some can't. Some folks have addictive behaviors and can't be around any amount of alcohol without abusing it. Some people can't keep sweet desert type foods in their house because they have no self control and will eat till the last cookie or Doritos in the bag is gone. Diabetes is rampant in this country. Look at the food that is pushed on folks at church potluck dinners. 2nd and 3rd helpings are normal with no one cautioning not to overindulge.

Re: Alcohol [Re: Husky] #8388683 04/17/25 02:48 PM 04/17/25 02:48 PM
Joined: Oct 2020 Southern Indiana I IN cooner trapper
IN cooner trapper I Joined: Oct 2020 Southern Indiana	good watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FgRRVRBP3k

Re: Alcohol [Re: Osagan] #8388684 04/17/25 02:49 PM 04/17/25 02:49 PM
Joined: Oct 2020 Southern Indiana I IN cooner trapper
IN cooner trapper I Joined: Oct 2020 Southern Indiana	Originally Posted by Osagan Originally Posted by J Staton I guess what I don't understand is the attempt to justify alcohol use knowing that it leads to many folks destruction. I'm speaking of professed believers with my statement. Some can handle it, some can't. Some folks have addictive behaviors and can't be around any amount of alcohol without abusing it. Some people can't keep sweet desert type foods in their house because they have no self control and will eat till the last cookie or Doritos in the bag is gone. Diabetes is rampant in this country. Look at the food that is pushed on folks at church potluck dinners. 2nd and 3rd helpings are normal with no one cautioning not to overindulge. I feel personally attacked LOL

Re: Alcohol [Re: Husky] #8388686 04/17/25 02:55 PM 04/17/25 02:55 PM
Joined: Sep 2020 Missouri O Osagan trapper
Osagan trapper O Joined: Sep 2020 Missouri	Deuteronomy 14:26: And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after: for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth; and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou and thine household. Here's one for you. The Lord was throwing his annual party and told his chosen people what to bring. . Plenty of barbecue and liquor for everyone. Sounds like a good time. There were undoubtedly some Pharisees in the crowd shaking their heads and tsk tsk'ing everyone. Debbie Downers. lol

Re: Alcohol [Re: Husky] #8388695 04/17/25 03:16 PM 04/17/25 03:16 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 williamsburg ks D danny clifton "Grumpy Old Man"
danny clifton "Grumpy Old Man" D Joined: Dec 2006 williamsburg ks	We already have laws against drunk driving, beating your kids or wife, bar fights, etc. What else do you want? Ten people read the bible and get ten different opinions. Anybody think they are always right? Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

Re: Alcohol [Re: danny clifton] #8388715 04/17/25 03:49 PM 04/17/25 03:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2023 Pennsylvania elsmasho82 trapper
elsmasho82 trapper Joined: Jan 2023 Pennsylvania	Originally Posted by danny clifton We already have laws against drunk driving, beating your kids or wife, bar fights, etc. What else do you want? Ten people read the bible and get ten different opinions. Anybody think they are always right? You’re starting to grow on me!

Re: Alcohol [Re: Husky] #8388719 04/17/25 03:59 PM 04/17/25 03:59 PM
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Re: Alcohol [Re: Husky] #8388720 04/17/25 04:00 PM 04/17/25 04:00 PM
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Re: Alcohol [Re: ~ADC~] #8388739 04/17/25 04:55 PM 04/17/25 04:55 PM
Joined: Aug 2008 Sumner, Mo. C claycreech trapper
claycreech trapper C Joined: Aug 2008 Sumner, Mo.	Originally Posted by ~ADC~ BTW I do what I want. Amen lol

Re: Alcohol [Re: Dirt] #8388743 04/17/25 05:14 PM 04/17/25 05:14 PM
Joined: Dec 2024 AR J J Staton trapper
J Staton trapper J Joined: Dec 2024 AR	Originally Posted by Dirt Originally Posted by J Staton I guess what I don't understand is the attempt to justify alcohol use knowing that it leads to many folks destruction. I'm speaking of professed believers with my statement. They probably engage in usury too. I don't mind a cold beer myself every now and then but I'm not going to go tell the teen group at the local church it's okay to drink cause Jesus did. I just thought that was common sense.

Re: Alcohol [Re: elsmasho82] #8388747 04/17/25 05:21 PM 04/17/25 05:21 PM
Joined: Feb 2020 Indiana P Providence Farm trapper
Providence Farm trapper P Joined: Feb 2020 Indiana	Originally Posted by elsmasho82 Originally Posted by danny clifton We already have laws against drunk driving, beating your kids or wife, bar fights, etc. What else do you want? Ten people read the bible and get ten different opinions. Anybody think they are always right? You’re starting to grow on me! you didn't already think the world of Danny? I thought everyone did!!

Re: Alcohol [Re: Husky] #8388749 04/17/25 05:23 PM 04/17/25 05:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2023 Pennsylvania elsmasho82 trapper
elsmasho82 trapper Joined: Jan 2023 Pennsylvania	He was grumpy at me one too many times at first!!!

Re: Alcohol [Re: Husky] #8388752 04/17/25 05:32 PM 04/17/25 05:32 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 williamsburg ks D danny clifton "Grumpy Old Man"
danny clifton "Grumpy Old Man" D Joined: Dec 2006 williamsburg ks	It does say grumpy old man under my name. I do my best to keep it at a dull roar. Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

Re: Alcohol [Re: Husky] #8388759 04/17/25 05:50 PM 04/17/25 05:50 PM
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Re: Alcohol [Re: elsmasho82] #8388766 04/17/25 05:57 PM 04/17/25 05:57 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 NWWA/AZ Vinke trapper
Vinke trapper Joined: Dec 2006 NWWA/AZ	Originally Posted by elsmasho82 He was grumpy at me one too many times at first!!! I still have him on blocked from the old days….. But I do open it up to read….now… Ant Man/ Marty 2028 just put your ear to the ground , and follow along

Re: Alcohol [Re: bowhunter27295] #8388803 04/17/25 07:04 PM 04/17/25 07:04 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 MN W walleye101 trapper
walleye101 trapper W Joined: Dec 2008 MN	Originally Posted by bowhunter27295 Let's consider wine/beer/liquor from a non religious point of view. No Bible. No Jesus. What is the purpose of alcohol in this context? How about enjoyment, does that qualify as an acceptable purpose? If not, why would anyone drink anything other than water?

Re: Alcohol [Re: bowhunter27295] #8388810 04/17/25 07:12 PM 04/17/25 07:12 PM
Joined: Aug 2008 ny U upstateNY trapper
upstateNY trapper U Joined: Aug 2008 ny	Originally Posted by bowhunter27295 Let's consider wine/beer/liquor from a non religious point of view. No Bible. No Jesus. What is the purpose of alcohol in this context? Alcohol can be very relaxing after a stressful day.Good for your health.Stress kills.Ask any doctor. the wheels of the gods turn very slowly

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