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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: hippie]
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04/28/25 03:54 PM
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WI Outdoors
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I honestly don't know how an outdoorsman can vote for a democrat. The lines have been drawn many many years ago and there are very few that will cross the isle anymore, once in its straight party line vote.
The saying.......cutting your own nose off to spite your face is front and center on this political issue. Ya can't fix.....I'll stop there.
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: PWC]
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04/28/25 04:00 PM
04/28/25 04:00 PM
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Steven 49er
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Took a quick look at the vote on Oregon HB 3292 which would severely restrict beaver trapping in Oregon. The bill passed the Oregon House by a vote of 35 to 18. All the yes votes for the anti trapping bill were Democrats, all the no votes for trappers were Republicans. Not a single Democrat voted against the bill. Perfect example of who is for us and who is against us.
Just reinforces the fact that Democrats are the party of anti trapping and gun control. Almost without exception, they will take any chance they get to pass legislation that negatively impacts trappers and gun owners.
Republicans aren't perfect, but they usually are not proposing and supporting anti trapping and anti gun legislation.
Don' believe the Democrat's lies, our MN Dem Governor is a perfect example, goes pheasant hunting for a photo op, and struggled to load his shotgun. Claims to be a hunter and and sportsman, but supports any and all anti trapping and gun control legislation. He signed the bill, passed by the Democrats to ban commercial turtle trapping in Minnesota. He will not support a wolf season in Minnesota.
Elections and votes matter, a small but significant amount of trappers and hunters support Democrats, this support comes at a cost to trappers. Don't think "your guy" is different, when the votes are cast, Democrats will vote against trapping every time.
The destruction is far beyond anti trapping legislation here. Look at the negative track record that party has with all wildlife management issues, logging, mining, commercial fishing, hound hunting, and recreational hunting and fishing. This State is full of renewable natural resources that have been taken off the menu by this party. Oregon is nothing now compared to what it once was. How's it been Wayne? Hope to see you in Wyoming this summer . Someone needs to keep an eye on brandy. I am not ashamed to say I voted for a Democrat once or twice in my life. I live in a rural area and the local DFLers would be considered Republican light these days. We have had help from outstate Democrats beating back bad legislation over the years. Here it boils down to rural vs urban we typically get the urban Republicans to come our way but it isn't always easy. It takes a lot of hard work and lobbying Gerald we should go out for supper one night.
"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Gerald Schmitt]
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04/28/25 04:21 PM
04/28/25 04:21 PM
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Oregon
beaverpeeler
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It would sure be easier for me if the republican party would get their heads out of their..."you know whats" on some of the other issues that are near and dear to me.
My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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04/28/25 04:33 PM
04/28/25 04:33 PM
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Diggerman
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It would sure be easier for me if the republican party would get their heads out of their..."you know whats" on some of the other issues that are near and dear to me. I am curious as to what issues ?
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Diggerman]
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04/28/25 04:38 PM
04/28/25 04:38 PM
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Georgia
warrior
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Georgia
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It would sure be easier for me if the republican party would get their heads out of their..."you know whats" on some of the other issues that are near and dear to me. I am curious as to what issues ? I'm willing to guess they aren't socially constructive issues. Most dims are unable to see the end results of feel good immediate policy. One dimensional thinkers.
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Diggerman]
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04/28/25 04:43 PM
04/28/25 04:43 PM
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Oregon
beaverpeeler
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It would sure be easier for me if the republican party would get their heads out of their..."you know whats" on some of the other issues that are near and dear to me. I am curious as to what issues ? It is probably not useful to this thread to go into my differences with the republican party.
My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Gerald Schmitt]
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04/28/25 04:50 PM
04/28/25 04:50 PM
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Vinke
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Ow boy,,,,,
Carl if ya need a friend send me some money and we will see what we can do….lol
Ant Man/ Marty 2028
just put your ear to the ground , and follow along
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Vinke]
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04/28/25 04:56 PM
04/28/25 04:56 PM
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ND
MJM
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Ow boy,,,,,
Carl if ya need a friend send me some money and we will see what we can do….lol If he can't help you Send me twice as much as you sent him. If you don't hear anything in a couple weeks, send more money. I will tell you when I have enough.
"Not Really, Not Really"
Mark J Monti
"MJM you're a jerk."
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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04/28/25 05:08 PM
04/28/25 05:08 PM
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perry co.Pa
wetdog
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It would sure be easier for me if the republican party would get their heads out of their..."you know whats" on some of the other issues that are near and dear to me. Let me guess, you believe in free stuff like healthcare
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: humptulips]
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04/28/25 07:23 PM
04/28/25 07:23 PM
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South Ga - Almost Florida
Swamp Wolf
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I agree with the general sentiment in this thread but there are exceptions. Case in point: here in Washington (I believe this applies to Oregon also.) we are stuck knowing the Legislature is going to be majority democrat so they can choose the Chairperson of all Legislative Committees and also have the majority on those committees. We need a friend on the democrat side willing to fight for the chairmanship of the Natural Resource Committee. All hunting, trapping and wildlife bills go through these committees. For years we had a good friend of trappers as chair of the House Committee on Natural Resources. He was able to kill any anti-trapping bills and he did. He finally lost his seat, and we supported another democrat on the same committee that would vote with the Republican minority on wildlife bills, effectively stopping all anti-trapping bills. Now we have a persuadable Senator who is chair of the Senate Natural Resources Committee.
When you know the democrats are going to be in control it's good to have someone in their camp on your side. When it gets as bad as yall's states (OR, WA, and CA) have become there is likely no hope. The liberals have gained total control with the majority forever entrenched in the metro amd urban areas. Here in Georgia we have the same situation (where the liberals of Atlanta area) control or nearly control the state's direction. Conservatives have barely pulled it to the right of late.
Thank God For Your Blessings!
Never Half-Arse Anything!
Resource Protection Service
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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04/28/25 07:49 PM
04/28/25 07:49 PM
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Georgia
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I agree with the general sentiment in this thread but there are exceptions. Case in point: here in Washington (I believe this applies to Oregon also.) we are stuck knowing the Legislature is going to be majority democrat so they can choose the Chairperson of all Legislative Committees and also have the majority on those committees. We need a friend on the democrat side willing to fight for the chairmanship of the Natural Resource Committee. All hunting, trapping and wildlife bills go through these committees. For years we had a good friend of trappers as chair of the House Committee on Natural Resources. He was able to kill any anti-trapping bills and he did. He finally lost his seat, and we supported another democrat on the same committee that would vote with the Republican minority on wildlife bills, effectively stopping all anti-trapping bills. Now we have a persuadable Senator who is chair of the Senate Natural Resources Committee.
When you know the democrats are going to be in control it's good to have someone in their camp on your side. When it gets as bad as yall's states (OR, WA, and CA) have become there is likely no hope. The liberals have gained total control with the majority forever entrenched in the metro amd urban areas. Here in Georgia we have the same situation (where the liberals of Atlanta area) control or nearly control the state's direction. Conservatives have barely pulled it to the right of late. Georgia Republicans are a spineless bunch, ain't they?
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Blaine County]
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04/28/25 09:54 PM
04/28/25 09:54 PM
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South Ga - Almost Florida
Swamp Wolf
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Trapping is important to trappers.
Think like a politician.
Trapper numbers are decreasing. Depending on the poll and/or location, the public opposes trapping. There is no meaningful pro trapping lobby spending big dollars.
Politicians pay attention to and vote for things that get them more votes. Or money. Or both.
A Democrat politician has only political gain when he opposes trapping.
A Republican politician may not oppose and may even support trapping but he is not going to spend any time or capital fighting for it in any meaningful way. At least most will not.
Unless, we put together a big PAC to shower the politicians with money. I guess a fur boom would increase numbers (votes).
Until then, trapping continues to have net losses. It sucks. Yep^^^ and liberal voters just speeds this up. Thanks!
Last edited by Swamp Wolf; 04/28/25 09:54 PM. Reason: Spelling error
Thank God For Your Blessings!
Never Half-Arse Anything!
Resource Protection Service
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Blaine County]
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04/29/25 07:20 AM
04/29/25 07:20 AM
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Dirt
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Trapping is important to trappers.
Think like a politician.
Trapper numbers are decreasing. Depending on the poll and/or location, the public opposes trapping. There is no meaningful pro trapping lobby spending big dollars.
Politicians pay attention to and vote for things that get them more votes. Or money. Or both.
A Democrat politician has only political gain when he opposes trapping.
A Republican politician may not oppose and may even support trapping but he is not going to spend any time or capital fighting for it in any meaningful way. At least most will not.
Unless, we put together a big PAC to shower the politicians with money. I guess a fur boom would increase numbers (votes).
Until then, trapping continues to have net losses. It sucks. The polls I have read ask people if they support or oppose trapping for particular reasons. If you are doing it for the right reason, there is less opposition. Unfortunately, with the price of fur continuing to drop compared to the price of life( other than ADC) the other reasons, especially recreation, does not appeal to the general public. I'm a lifelong trapper and would never openly, ever admit, that on my best day, that I ever enjoyed my day on the trapline. It's a job, that I do, to earn a living to support my family. You got to have a good story. It seems to me that most of you outdoorsmen can't grasp the simple concept that the non-consumptive use people can't understand why people would want to harm/kill animals for recreation. It is a simple concept and they are in the majority.
Last edited by Dirt; 04/29/25 07:31 AM.
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