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How long will it survive? #8395264 04/29/25 09:15 PM 04/29/25 09:15 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Central, SD Law Dog OP trapper
Law Dog OP trapper Joined: Dec 2010 Central, SD	Looked at my elms trees the other day looks like they must be bugged lots of holes in the trunk and limbs but I’m not seeing woodpeckers in any numbers doing the damage. In my firewood I’m finding hornets deep in the bigger rounds and what looks like flat looking mealworms with pinchers. Still blooming but the years will be few for a couple trees by the house. No surprise the trees in area the elm and ash have been dying off for years now a great time to own a wood boiler. Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that! Jerry Herbst

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395277 04/29/25 09:30 PM 04/29/25 09:30 PM
Joined: Dec 2011 MT S snowy trapper
snowy trapper S Joined: Dec 2011 MT	That Dutch Elm disease is a bad thing. If the tree shows of some dead branches and such it is too late. The stuff spreads and needs to burned not lay around. Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395281 04/29/25 09:34 PM 04/29/25 09:34 PM
Joined: Dec 2015 NNY 0 080808 trapper
080808 trapper 0 Joined: Dec 2015 NNY	Snowy is correct. Elm here dies and stays upright for 30 yrs without falling. This can be good and bad. Makes decent, not best firewood. Tough to split.

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395286 04/29/25 09:38 PM 04/29/25 09:38 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Coldspring Texas Savell "Wilbur"
Savell "Wilbur" Joined: Dec 2006 Coldspring Texas	1year 2 months 14 days 6 hours 52 minutes and 17 seconds Insert profound nonsense here

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395291 04/29/25 09:41 PM 04/29/25 09:41 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Saskatchewan S Saskquatch trapper
Saskquatch trapper S Joined: Dec 2006 Saskatchewan	We got pretty much completely wiped out here. Once it shows sizeable dead branches, it will be dead by fall. The tree will literally be hard as rock when you cut it down within the same year it dies. We've found, once you cut it down, it will quickly regrow all around the stump, and that will also succumb. Mother nature is a strange gal.

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395292 04/29/25 09:41 PM 04/29/25 09:41 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Central, SD Law Dog OP trapper
Law Dog OP trapper Joined: Dec 2010 Central, SD	Did not expect the worst one to even bud this year but it did I was surprised it did. Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that! Jerry Herbst

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395297 04/29/25 09:45 PM 04/29/25 09:45 PM
Joined: Sep 2013 Green County Wisconsin G GREENCOUNTYPETE trapper
GREENCOUNTYPETE trapper G Joined: Sep 2013 Green County Wisconsin	I don't know as much about elm , with ash you want to cut them before they fully die and have a couple green limbs left they will stand for years but they can get to where they will drop dead stuff that can take you out while you are cutting watch carful and keep your hard hat on America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395302 04/29/25 09:50 PM 04/29/25 09:50 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Saskatchewan S Saskquatch trapper
Saskquatch trapper S Joined: Dec 2006 Saskatchewan	Originally Posted by Law Dog Did not expect the worst one to even bud this year but it did I was surprised it did. Brace yourself, it will bud out and look like its gonna make it, and be dead as dirt by fall. Its kind of amazing.

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395305 04/29/25 09:55 PM 04/29/25 09:55 PM
Joined: May 2009 Champaign County, Ohio. K KeithC trapper
KeithC trapper K Joined: May 2009 Champaign County, Ohio.	If it's insects and not Dutch Elm disease killing the trees and you want to save them pour imidacloprid around the drip line of the trees. The roots will take it up and it will kill the insects feeding on them. You can also inject it into the phloem. Keith

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395313 04/29/25 10:12 PM 04/29/25 10:12 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Saskatchewan S Saskquatch trapper
Saskquatch trapper S Joined: Dec 2006 Saskatchewan	Originally Posted by Law Dog Looked at my elms trees the other day looks like they must be bugged lots of holes in the trunk and limbs but I’m not seeing woodpeckers in any numbers doing the damage. In my firewood I’m finding hornets deep in the bigger rounds and what looks like flat looking mealworms with pinchers. Still blooming but the years will be few for a couple trees by the house. No surprise the trees in area the elm and ash have been dying off for years now a great time to own a wood boiler. When it succumbs, cut a chopping block out of the trunk, and it will give your years of good hard chopping. PS: the elm beetle lives just under the bark, however, once the trees are infected, its game over as far as the eye can see.

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Saskquatch] #8395319 04/29/25 10:25 PM 04/29/25 10:25 PM
Joined: Dec 2011 MT S snowy trapper
snowy trapper S Joined: Dec 2011 MT	Originally Posted by Saskquatch Originally Posted by Law Dog Did not expect the worst one to even bud this year but it did I was surprised it did. Brace yourself, it will bud out and look like its gonna make it, and be dead as dirt by fall. Its kind of amazing. Yep!!! ^ Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395320 04/29/25 10:28 PM 04/29/25 10:28 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Manitoba N Northof50 trapper
Northof50 trapper N Joined: Dec 2008 Manitoba	elm beetles are in the cambium layer just under the bark, the fungus in their tunnels is what stops the flow of nutrients the round holes are from Cerambycidae beetles, they take several years to mature.....the wasps are parasites that have drilled through the wood to lay in the larvae....they have 5-6 inch long ovipositors to do this. the circle of the exit hole tell what family of beetle it is, some are round some are oval

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395321 04/29/25 10:29 PM 04/29/25 10:29 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Manitoba N Northof50 trapper
Northof50 trapper N Joined: Dec 2008 Manitoba	the bark looks ash not elm...

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Northof50] #8395325 04/29/25 10:34 PM 04/29/25 10:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2018 MN D Donnersurvivor trapper
Donnersurvivor trapper D Joined: Jan 2018 MN	Originally Posted by Northof50 the bark looks ash not elm... It's definitely an Ash. Likely Ash Borer killing it, once you see the signs it'll be dead within a year most likely.

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395330 04/29/25 10:44 PM 04/29/25 10:44 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Central, SD Law Dog OP trapper
Law Dog OP trapper Joined: Dec 2010 Central, SD	Could be an Ash both ash/elm are dying here big time most planted when the farms were started many years ago. They that die off year after year self thinning the shelter belts my neighbor has lost about 2/3 of the trees he had 20 years ago a handful at a time. No saving the one in the photo the base is rotted it’s never getting better will just start some new trees it’s about time to replant the holes in the tree belts. Last edited by Law Dog; 04/29/25 10:47 PM. Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that! Jerry Herbst

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Northof50] #8395335 04/29/25 10:53 PM 04/29/25 10:53 PM
Joined: Dec 2011 MT S snowy trapper
snowy trapper S Joined: Dec 2011 MT	Originally Posted by Northof50 the bark looks ash not elm... Yep, Ash. Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395396 04/30/25 06:33 AM 04/30/25 06:33 AM
Joined: Jan 2012 Ohio OhioBoy trapper
OhioBoy trapper Joined: Jan 2012 Ohio	I bought a house in 02. Went to an auction and bought 14 trees back in the day. Planted them. They died. All ash. lol.

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395424 04/30/25 07:44 AM 04/30/25 07:44 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Pa W Wright Brothers trapper
Wright Brothers trapper W Joined: Dec 2006 Pa	In late 80s the elm beetles were thick in Pittsburgh. I worked alongside an arborist who saved one large elm that was owned by a horticulture guru. I burned elm wood, the guru burned money.

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Law Dog] #8395442 04/30/25 08:59 AM 04/30/25 08:59 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Minnesota 330-Trapper trapper
330-Trapper trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Minnesota	Sad deal NRA and NTA Life Member www.BackroadsRevised@etsy.com

Re: How long will it survive? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8395479 04/30/25 10:46 AM 04/30/25 10:46 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 pa H hippie trapper
hippie trapper H Joined: Feb 2010 pa	Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor Originally Posted by Northof50 the bark looks ash not elm... It's definitely an Ash. Likely Ash Borer killing it, once you see the signs it'll be dead within a year most likely. Yep, I had one just like it they killed. Those little tiny holes spell doom. The bigger holes are woodpeckers getting after them. Last edited by hippie; 04/30/25 10:47 AM. There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.

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