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Re: Debate [Re: Husky] #8397451
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That's fair lumberjack. The insertion of "shame on those that do" might have been unnecessary, but I put it in there mainly because a lot of the faithful have been unrelenting in their attacks on people who do believe that evolution is the best explanation of "how we got here".

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Re: Debate [Re: beaverpeeler] #8397489
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
My view is God created everything but used evolution as the tool to do it. Who are we to question the creator and his methods? Shame on those that do.


So are you saying that the Genesis account of Creation is a false story?

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Originally Posted by Husky
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
My view is God created everything but used evolution as the tool to do it. Who are we to question the creator and his methods? Shame on those that do.


So are you saying that the Genesis account of Creation is a false story?


All evidence appears to prove Genesis it is just a story, made up to explain how the earth was created, by very primitive people.

Besides the belief instilled in you at a young age, which isn't proof, why do you think Genesis is true?

Keith

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Agree with Keith, but rather than use the word primitive I would just say that it was commonplace before the age of science to come up with a lot of explanations that would mostly be laughable now. Explanations by most Indian tribes about how they got here are routinely scoffed at by most, but here you have a woman being made out of Adams rib and that rings of truth?

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Re: Debate [Re: beaverpeeler] #8397602
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Agree with Keith, but rather than use the word primitive I would just say that it was commonplace before the age of science to come up with a lot of explanations that would mostly be laughable now. Explanations by most Indian tribes about how they got here are routinely scoffed at by most, but here you have a woman being made out of Adams rib and that rings of truth?


Do you reckon the writer of that would have known at that time that the human rib can replicate it self. Why not just use some other bone of the body none of which can replicate it self. Just funny that one bone was chosen.

Re: Debate [Re: Husky] #8397606
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The reason I believe the Genesis account of Creation to be true is ALL Creation shows that there was a designer. Evolution is an idea people thought up that was designed to deny God. All things can be explained thru Creation while evolution leaves ALOT of questions in my mind.

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Originally Posted by Husky
The reason I believe the Genesis account of Creation to be true is ALL Creation shows that there was a designer. Evolution is an idea people thought up that was designed to deny God. All things can be explained thru Creation while evolution leaves ALOT of questions in my mind.


Most on here believe things leave tracks. The designer of this world left tracks galore.

One other thing I noticed was trying to combine evolution and mother nature as God gets a little tricky. Could God create using nature ? Yes. But if one tries to combine the two as being equal, then that is reverting back to paganism as in worship of the creature instead of the creator?

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Originally Posted by Husky
The reason I believe the Genesis account of Creation to be true is ALL Creation shows that there was a designer. Evolution is an idea people thought up that was designed to deny God. All things can be explained thru Creation while evolution leaves ALOT of questions in my mind.


Can I ask why there cannot be Creation via Evolution? I think you may find that your bias is chafing at you a bit.


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Re: Debate [Re: Husky] #8397884
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There is Creation via evolution on a microevolution scale. There is no such thing as macroevolution, or in other words, things coming from nothing. The Bible clearly states that God spoke the universe into existence, not that he used evolution.

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:::::Silently praying to Husky's God that white17 chooses to debate him..... :::

Would be the best post on here in decades!!!!

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Originally Posted by Husky
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
My view is God created everything but used evolution as the tool to do it. Who are we to question the creator and his methods? Shame on those that do.


So are you saying that the Genesis account of Creation is a false story?

While I don't believe in Divine evolution, a person can be a genuine believer on Jesus Christ and still hold that view.
After all, Genisis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".
"And the earth was formless and void". The Hebrew word for formless and void is chaos. A lot of time may have happened between " in the beginning" and the creation of Adam. We have no idea of the when or how, we just know that God had a plan.


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Waggler, the Bible says that God created the earth and all that was in it in six days. How can there be a gap there?

Also, the word “was” is in that verse which is stating the condition of the earth at that time.

The Bible also says throughout scripture that the earth was perfect. How could there be chaos in the world but still be perfect?

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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
:::::Silently praying to Husky's God that white17 chooses to debate him..... :::

Would be the best post on here in decades!!!!


As in a good debate or a really bad one??

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Husky, just a couple of questions, maybe three.
First one;
What day do you say "in the beginning" was?


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Originally Posted by Husky
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:::::Silently praying to Husky's God that white17 chooses to debate him..... :::

Would be the best post on here in decades!!!!


As in a good debate or a really bad one??


Well, doesn't that depend on point of view??

White is hands down the most knowledgeable from the atheist perspective. I just think it would be fun to see the two of you debate. I told him the same as well. Hope he takes ya up on it.

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Originally Posted by Husky
Waggler, the Bible says that God created the earth and all that was in it in six days. How can there be a gap there?

Also, the word “was” is in that verse which is stating the condition of the earth at that time.

The Bible also says throughout scripture that the earth was perfect. How could there be chaos in the world but still be perfect?

The World stopped being perfect after that woman took a bite of the fruit.


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Re: Debate [Re: waggler] #8397920
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Originally Posted by waggler
Husky, just a couple of questions, maybe three.
First one;
What day do you say "in the beginning" was?


Nobody really knows what that entirely means, but my guess is it’s referring to the beginning of the universe.

Re: Debate [Re: Husky] #8397921
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Yoyetrapper30, I’m not sure how I would do since I’m not the most knowledgeable person on Creation, but I would love to give it a shot with White17.

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Originally Posted by Scout1
Originally Posted by Husky
Waggler, the Bible says that God created the earth and all that was in it in six days. How can there be a gap there?

Also, the word “was” is in that verse which is stating the condition of the earth at that time.

The Bible also says throughout scripture that the earth was perfect. How could there be chaos in the world but still be perfect?

The World stopped being perfect after that woman took a bite of the fruit.


Correction, it happened after Adam ate the fruit.

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