He declined my request for a debate, but he did say he would give some advice during the debate. I am currently doing a lot of research to do just that!

I still haven’t gotten a good answer about where the material that started the earths evolution came from. Maybe White could give me an answer…

Also, Angela, don’t worry about picking on me. I was the one who started this debate, so I asked for it all! Just ask a question and I’ll do my best to answer it.

Well you may find this hard to believe but there was no matter prior to.........for lack of a better term......The Big Bang.

There were photons which do not have mass........consequently are not considered matter.

Matter can be formed by the collision of photons at high speed. We have proven that thousands of times by colliding ionized gold in super-colliders. The photons that form an ionized cloud or halo around the atoms of gold are accelerated towards each other inside the collider. When the two 'halos" collide, energy is released and new matter is formed. Those new particles can be observed and identified as well as measured.

https://interestingengineering.com/science/us-collider-enters-25th-run

Remember the laws of conservation of matter & energy. When we burn gasoline in our trucks or wood in our stoves.......we are converting one form of matter into a different form....... energy. But no energy is lost ...the FORM of the energy is changed.......either from matter to energy, or from energy to matter.

So the matter that we see today in the universe did not exist prior to the formation of stars (they were/are gas...not solid matter as we see around us) and their subsequent destruction as supernovae. That is when the first matter actually took form . The "new" universe was far to hot to allow the formation of atoms

It is still happening in the universe today. We can witness the birth of stars and their deaths.

One more time I will encourage you to get and watch that video series I mentioned before on cosmology.

This one :

https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/cosmology-the-history-and-nature-of-our-universe

Hopefully, you will make the effort if you are sincerely looking for answers and information on a subject that is both interesting and informative.

This is interest.
I didn't know that we had ever witnessed the formation of stars.
Now I can dig the gold particles turning to matter.
( the streets in heaven will be paved with the stuff.

This is a talk not a debate a debate has two opposing view points

pale rider

So, White, where did the ions come from? In the illustration you gave to Iona of gold were already gold, so colliding them at high speeds seems logical to get gold out of it. In that illustration, no new material was formed.

Dorn it there Husky, your making to much sense now.
Isn't Cosmology somthing like a pedicure?

They say that the heavier elements came from exploding stars. The energy of the explosion creates heavy elements from the lighter ones, and in the resulting stardust, new stars and planets are formed that contain heavier elements.

In the primordial universe, the first stars were formed of hydrogen, helium, and I think a little bit of helium, but the heavier elements didn't exist until those first stars exploded.

So then the exploding stars were the big bang.

No, during the time shortly after the Big Bang, the universe consisted of a hot, dense plasma of particles. The universe is called opaque during this time, as no light was able to propagate over long distances. Once the universe expanded and cooled enough, about 380,000 years after the Big Bang, electrons and protons were able to combine to form the first atoms and produce the first light (photons) that was able to propagate freely, which is where the cosmic microwave background radiation comes from. This is the furthest back in the universe we will ever be able to "see" with our telescopes, because there's no light to see from before then.

Then eventually, these atoms were attracted to each other under the influence of gravity and were able to accumulate into the first stars. There was a lot that happened in our universe before those first stars exploded.

Again, where did the materials that caused the Big Bang come from??

Science does not tell us and may never tell us. I'm a believer, so I don't have a problem with the prime mover being God.

They will never tell us because there’s no logical way for those first materials to form. Evolution always starts with something, but to go from nothing to something is impossible.

Plato reasoned that with 2nd and 3rd causes there had to be a 1st cause (mover). Knowing there is a first mover then getting to know that mover is a great quest. I think one step of that phase is described pretty good using Plato's Allegory of the Cave. Many times we start out in forms in the shade and only understand what we have known or are comfortable with. And when someone finds that light source they become the enemy as we don't like nor want to change, as the light hurts our eyes.

Even Plato missed the mark by going with what is called the 4 divine madnesses of Plato that was divided into 4 gods.
Which were saying that prophecy was inspired by Apollo, the mystic madness by Dionysus, the poetic by the Muses, and the madness of love, inspired by Aphrodite and Eros. Learning has to start someplace !

To create an ion........electrons are stripped from an atom by an electrical field. That is how RHIC created the ionized particle that they then accelerated. And I think you misunderstood. I was not saying that NEW or MORE gold was created. New MATTER and anti-matter was created by the collisions of photons surrounding the ionized gold atom.

Here's is a better explanation.

https://phys.org/news/2021-07-collisions-matterantimatter-pure-energy.html
And here;

https://www.bnl.gov/rhic/physics.php

And here.

https://youtu.be/Vyq_AYWctSo

As I said before there was no matter prior to the BB.
As Northwestern Yote just explained........and I mentioned earlier.........the universe was too hot to allow atom formation. .....nucleosynthesis..

Prior to the BB..........our best science at this time indicates that there was gravity, electromagnetism, photons, the strong force and the weak force. You have heard of quarks and gluons ?? They are the subatomic particles that are either changed from one quark to another..by the weak force or they are held together by the strong force to form either protons or neutrons.

Again, as Northwestern Yote mentioned earlier.......immediately after the BB there was a quark-gluon plasma that was still too hot to allow the formation of atoms......... Plasma is considered "matter" so this is likely the first form of matter in the universe. As the plasma cooled......it eventually reached a point referred to as "quark confinement"......at around 380,000 years after the BB.............again as noted by NY above.

I have already directed you to a few places that prove you are wrong. Something (matter) has been created directly from "nothing" (photons...nothing because they are not matter.) See the previous links concerning RHIC

This information is all readily available to you. You just have to make the effort. And of course you need to really care about learning something new.

If we're talking about impossible, walking on water or turning water into wine would definitely qualify. At a very young age (and being made to go to church) I figured out that I was being fed a line.

Watch and you might see how a young man can walk on wet paint when he paints himself into a corner, lol.