Some may have seen this, but for those that have not...........the ethical hunter challenge.

Now consider the man bun gun. The 6.5 Creedmoor. In my opinion the reason it gets a bad rap is guys believing all the hype about it being accurate way out past the horizon, and thinking they can whack deer out that far. This shows why its a bad idea. That red circle is 1 MOA. Even if you could hit it, bullet may not have enough energy to put them down. Average guy needs to stay under 200 yards and man bun will do fine, Gut shot at 500 yards is going to get away.

Any caliber gut shot at 500 yards will most likely get away.

I agree most should stay under 200 yards. We differ on 6.5 being not effective at that range and not accurate enough. I will shot anything with my 260 I would shoot with a 308 or 06 and not feel under gunned and likely be more accurate at distance with less wind drift, drop, and recoil. Heck I get less drop and wind drift than a 300 win at 1000 with 30% less recoil than a 308. yes energy would be low out there but I don't shoot that far .at Game. Heck have not shot more than 500 in over a decade because I only go to 500 at my range at home and my 1100 yard range in the mine can't be shot on any more.

People talk crap about the 6.5 but the same people love the smaller by .5mm and 45gr 243 and .5mm larger 1 gr lighter 7mm08.

I love and own all 3. Edit well kindly of have bought all 3 and they are at the house but technically wife and kids

I like my 6.5, it’ll hit a railroad tie plate at 500 every time with no wind. Great wolf gun, but for bigger critters I like the 300prc. Just as accurate and the DS scope takes the guesswork out of it.

Most peoples shooting ability is grossly over estimated.

Rifle, pistol, bow, doesn’t matter.

Yup.
I'm good to 300, beyond that, I'm mot shooting at anything but steel and targets

I starting shooting silhouette matches about 15 years ago.
Can be humbling

But now, I know my limitations

I have several guns I bought worked up loads and practiced with to kill deer at stupid distances. I thought it was cool and I had a great time doing it. The last few years I've went the opposite direction. I made a long bow out of hedge had a buddy knap some points and make some arrows. Nothing like taking a deer at 5 yards then trying to light a smoke but you can't hold your hands from shaking.

Hitting a target (or animal) and having the right bullet for the velocity the bullet is going when it gets there are different in my opinion. At some point the bullet just doesn't have enough energy left for the bullet to perform as it should. Now factor in no bench rest, unknown winds (and often exact range) along with excitement and most will miss or make a poor shot with most any rifle or caliber.

The kill quick zone on a deer is the size of a dinner plate

And if we only shoot off.a bench we are not going to do well at a 100 in the field regardless of you 500 yard moa groups. And deer are not hard to kill.or require large guns to do it.

that doesn't mean hitting an orange off hand at 300 but shooting from a field available support, bi pod, sticks or similar seems like a good choice to practice.

But on a moose, it’s about the size of an oven door. Get some leeway shooting at them. I’m good out to 400 yards, killed 16 bulls, no misses or wounded. Closest was 65 yards, longest 387 yards. They’ll stand still forever.

Find it funny that when anyone mentions the 6.5 Swede, people swoon and want to talk about how many moose have dropped DRT........when the 6.5 Creed is ballistically the same if not better. Nobody swoons for the Creed. Again, aside from aversion to all the hype, most shots for the Swede likely in close. The hype for the Creed falls apart at distance. It simply does not have the stopping power out there.

Thing about the OP video.......those are one time, cold bore shots from "hunting rifles"......which in traditional sense, they are not. They are custom, high end rifles used for hunting. Those guys are F Class shooters taking untimed shots from prone position off bipods. And they still miss by a foot or more. The other thing is their comments. Would not take such a shot in a real world hunting situation. Most of us shouldn't either.

X2

Usually the gun can do it, but the shooter is sub par.

With a good rest and bullets designed for hunting not paper, wind is the big factor at 500 hundred yards. Hunting bullets are not as accurate. A moa capable rifle with hunting bullets may shoot 1 1/2 or 2 off a bench. Throw in a little wind that dinner plate from a cold bore is mighty small. Even at 300. You have to literally guess how much offset for the wind.

With todays tech you can measure
depth, wind direction and speed,
and gender use of the outhouse,
and apply to forum BS at will.

X2 for sure

I'd shoot

I shot a black tail last year at 800 yards with a 7 rem mag. Not something I usually do, I’m a fan of using a .223 and getting inside of 200 yards. But the opportunity arose, and I had the rifle with me to do it. I under estimated the distance initially, the first shot splashed in the mud underneath him, I was far enough away that he wasn’t too bothered, he took a few steps forward and looked around. The second shot I held higher and he fell down where he stood. I won’t shoot another deer with a 7 mag, they’re too small an animal, better suited for a .223 or .243. However I do like 7 mag for moose or bear.

The shooters knew the exact distance and had plenty of time to judge the wind. Added the excitement of the hunt and a perfect place to lay down. There are so many shooters that claim they never miss.