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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: loosegoose] #8419025
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Even most secular historians agree that Jesus was a real person that lived in Israel about 2000 years ago. What they disagree on is whether or not he was the Son of God that performed miracles and died and came back to life.



Yes. C. S. Lewis summed it up very well with his "3 L's" -either he was Lord, Liar, or Lunatic. You get to decide your opinion, but you're opinion doesn't change who or what he was. Choose carefully.

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T7 I fully agree with you on the importance of the gospel.
And your last post.
I don't have any issues with others eschatological beliefs.
We are created with free will and with individuality.
I consider you a brother in Christ.


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8419318
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free will is ..not free if I still believed that would be hard one justify
if the message is so important why make it so hard to understand and so often misinterpreted
life doesn't have to be eternal to matter

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: wildlifeartist1] #8419340
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Originally Posted by wildlifeartist1
free will is ..not free if I still believed that would be hard one justify
if the message is so important why make it so hard to understand and so often misinterpreted
life doesn't have to be eternal to matter


I don't agree that it's hard to understand. God commanded the first man not to eat the forbidden fruit. It's a pretty simple instruction.

Jesus distilled his teaching into two commandments (the first called the Great Commandment). They are pretty simple commandments.

The problem is that man has a brain that he can use to rationalize anything that he wants to do.

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: NorthwesternYote] #8419358
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Originally Posted by NorthwesternYote
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If Nero was the Antichrist who were the two witnesses he slew that were resurrected three and a half days later?

I don't know. Revelation is steeped in symbolism which leads to a multitude of interpretations. A guess would be Saints Peter and Paul, who were martyred in Rome during Nero's reign.


The spirit of the antichrist is here but the antichrist himself will be from a Jewish line. Otherwise the Jews would not follow him. Some think the antichrist might be from the tribe of Dan. Since they were labeled as a snake and won't be in the 144,000.

With replacement theology I guess you can just make it up as you go. The Jehovah witnesses think two of their people were killed and left in the street in 1914.

Elijah and Enoch seems reasonable to me as they never died. You can't enter Heaven without dying and that will be their time to die.

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: wildlifeartist1] #8419365
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Originally Posted by wildlifeartist1
free will is ..not free if I still believed that would be hard one justify
if the message is so important why make it so hard to understand and so often misinterpreted
life doesn't have to be eternal to matter


You have the freewill to not believe, and you have the freewill to interpret scripture any way you please.
As far as understanding that's part of freewill I believe. But if you choose to not believe. Then the spirit will not teach you. Therefore not giving you understanding.
I can't speak for others, but when I turned from trying to understand and rely on my own wisdom and turned it over to God this is when a light came on. I wish I could explain it better than that.
I guess in a nutshell, understanding comes from faith. And we have the liberty to believe or not believe.


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Giant Sage] #8419366
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
T7 I fully agree with you on the importance of the gospel.
And your last post.
I don't have any issues with others eschatological beliefs.
We are created with free will and with individuality.
I consider you a brother in Christ.


Trapper7 - Your last post as well very much summed up my beliefs and I agree with Giant Sage. I really enjoy when men can get into Gods Word and analyze it and learn as we sharpen one another. I admit, the more I read, the more the Holy Spirit reveals to me and can reveal different lessons at different times. Gods Word is inerrant and yes we may not always agree on every scripture and I am just fine with that.

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Giant Sage - Proverbs 3:5-6 is what comes to mind.

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #8419377
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Originally Posted by TreedaBlackdog
Giant Sage - Proverbs 3:5-6 is what comes to mind.

Yes and verses 4 and 7 also.

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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8419458
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you do know the earliest fragment we have for the
number of the beast is 616, hope that doesn't mess it up for anyone
it's just one of those many copy problems
i feel bad for all the moves and tattoo people that got it wrong

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: wildlifeartist1] #8419464
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Originally Posted by wildlifeartist1
you do know the earliest fragment we have for the
number of the beast is 616, hope that doesn't mess it up for anyone
it's just one of those many copy problems
i feel bad for all the moves and tattoo people that got it wrong


It's Nero either way. The Greek version of the name Nron Qsr yields 666 and the Latin version of the name Nro Qsr yields 616.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_beast#Nero

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and on free will.. give your children the same free will as god gives ,with the same out come
love /believe me or i will burn you for ever over and over again
just doesn't have that loving feeling and what's really bad is you're the one doing the burning!
and this is the best the all-knowing creator came up with that should give you the ick
great for back then if you were king love /worship me and you can live or I'll kill you
sounds the same

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Originally Posted by wildlifeartist1
and on free will.. give your children the same free will as god gives ,with the same out come
love /believe me or i will burn you for ever over and over again
just doesn't have that loving feeling and what's really bad is you're the one doing the burning!
and this is the best the all-knowing creator came up with that should give you the ick
great for back then if you were king love /worship me and you can live or I'll kill you
sounds the same


I understand your arguments, this is a fairly common argument.
As far as the type of judgment you are speaking of. It is a matter of interpretation.
Eternal punishment is not the only interpretation.
Children of course should be given free will as they become responsible so they can grow.
I personally don't understand what scripture is saying about the results on judgment day for those that are not in the book of life. I would lean more towards eternal separation or ever utterly destroyed.
I have a hard time seeing an eternal firey judgment in God's character.
I'm not saying you are wrong or write.
If your corect then it probably doesn't effect eternity. If your wrong?


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: wildlifeartist1] #8419491
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Originally Posted by wildlifeartist1
and on free will.. give your children the same free will as god gives ,with the same out come
love /believe me or i will burn you for ever over and over again
just doesn't have that loving feeling and what's really bad is you're the one doing the burning!
and this is the best the all-knowing creator came up with that should give you the ick
great for back then if you were king love /worship me and you can live or I'll kill you
sounds the same


This is reaction from anger, which doesn't lead to understanding. God actually desires our love a lot more than we desire him. The Creator of a billion worlds wants to invite you and me to have the same kind of conversation with him as the members of the Trinity have with each other. It sounds too good to be true but that's the biblical message, not repent or burn. But yeah, even many believers don't get it, understandably. Everything that is good in life comes from God's hand, even the things that we pervert, the good in them is his. Take that all away and how can you be anywhere but in torment? Some of us feel like we've already been through hades on earth, but we still always have something good here, some reason for hope. Anyway, if you take your questions to him honestly, they will be answered. Might take time and effort, but he's faithful, because he desires to be known.


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Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8419494
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you.. "I would lean more towards eternal separation or ever utterly destroyed."
just because it sounds better doesn't make it better the (truth) is its a flawed plan
and the rest of the world before they could even know (the right god) what happens to them
sorry you missed out born at the wrong time and place they had souls right

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Does the clay tell the potter what to make? Seems like lots of folks believe the clay should.

Re: Reliability of the Bible [Re: Husky] #8419508
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clay.. we are alive clay isn't

PS I'm not agree, sad, mad...just want the most important thing in the world.... truth

be kind to all, love some, help others, work to leave better knowledge for the next generation.

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^^^^^
It's a metaphor.


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Originally Posted by wildlifeartist1
clay.. we are alive clay isn't

PS I'm not agree, sad, mad...just want the most important thing in the world.... truth

be kind to all, love some, help others, work to leave better knowledge for the next generation.

Sounds like you are seeking pretty much the same thing I'm seeking.
I can't speak for others but truth, kindness, love, and knowledge are all good things to seek after.


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Originally Posted by wildlifeartist1
you.. "I would lean more towards eternal separation or ever utterly destroyed."
just because it sounds better doesn't make it better the (truth) is its a flawed plan
and the rest of the world before they could even know (the right god) what happens to them
sorry you missed out born at the wrong time and place they had souls right

That's a good question. You know Jesus preached to the souls in hades, correct? At least according to some interpretations.
But not knowing everything shouldn't hinder our search for God. As far as being kind to everyone, that's great, except we have all failed to do that to some degree. We all fall short and need saving. Thinking we can be good by ourselves is insanity if we are honest about it.


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