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Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Husky]
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The premise of carbon14 dating of fossils is already sketchy. We know that carbon14 cannot date anything older than about 60,000 years and is most reliable to about 20-25,000 years. Millions of years is not possible and nobody except people trying to disprove science would even go down that road.
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Husky]
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GS, Jesus and Paul are referring to his return in combination to the other things. If it was that present generation he was referring to, when did Jesus return? The only group I know of that say Jesus has already returned are the Jehovah Witnesses.
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Trapper7]
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06/12/25 04:22 PM
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GS, Jesus and Paul are referring to his return in combination to the other things. If it was that present generation he was referring to, when did Jesus return? The only group I know of that say Jesus has already returned are the Jehovah Witnesses. Let me ask another question just to get you thinking: when was Jesus ' first coming? Because it is in the Bible and it wasn't as a baby.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Trapper7]
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06/12/25 06:32 PM
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GS, Jesus and Paul are referring to his return in combination to the other things. If it was that present generation he was referring to, when did Jesus return? The only group I know of that say Jesus has already returned are the Jehovah Witnesses. T7 I believe Jesus speaking to an audience that understood old testament judgment language. . Hears a few.. Lev 16:2 Ezekial 30:3 joel2:2 Zephiniah 1:15 (comes in clouds) Isaiah 13:10. 34:4. Ez 32:7-8 Jer4:27-28 darkness, stars falling. Apocalyptic type language.
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Husky]
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06/12/25 06:56 PM
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T7 Hear is a good example of prophecy leading to Jesus regarding the stars falling. If you read it in context . ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2025/06/full-49774-260497-20250612_163501_resized.jpg) Obviously this is not actual Starz. It's speaking of how the family of Jacob will bow to there brother Joseph. Another interesting prophecy that falls in line with this is the 70 weeks of Daniel. 70 7s. I don't believe it was by chance that Jesus told Peter to forgive your Brother 70 ×7 This would be in line with the time line of the beginning of Daniel's prophecy to the time spoken of by Luke. ( these are the days of vengeance or judgment.) Ch 21 I believe.
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: J Staton]
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06/12/25 07:01 PM
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The first coming would be mentioned in John1:1. John 1:1 tells us that Jesus pre existed everything. But I was speaking about the first time he appeared as a man. Scholars tell us that the angel of God mentioned a few times in the Old Testament was actually Jesus appearing as a man. Now, there are historical writings that indicate strange miracles and Jesus appearing during the Jewish war of 70 AD. That's not concrete evidence that it's true but there's no reason to rule it out, either. Of course it also doesn't mean there won't be a future return.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
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The first coming would be mentioned in John1:1. John 1:1 tells us that Jesus pre existed everything. But I was speaking about the first time he appeared as a man. Scholars tell us that the angel of God mentioned a few times in the Old Testament was actually Jesus appearing as a man. Now, there are historical writings that indicate strange miracles and Jesus appearing during the Jewish war of 70 AD. That's not concrete evidence that it's true but there's no reason to rule it out, either. Of course it also doesn't mean there won't be a future return. Skinner , are you speaking of instances like the Lord coming to Abraham before the distruction of Sadom. Or maybe when he appeared to Joshua by the river Jordan as a Man with a sword. Or maybe even as early as Adam and Eve heard the lord walking in the cool of the day in the Garden.
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
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06/13/25 06:41 AM
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Wow how misinformed
check the facts the real truth not what some preacher said
we didn't even have what we call the bible till the 4th century
what did the world do before that
if one part is made up why can't it all be.
judges 15
samson went out and caught (three hundred fox), tied their tails
together in pairs and lashed a torch between each pair of tails
to spread fire in the philistine's crops
yeah, sure he did.
how long would it take to catch 300 fox
probably have to have pens to put them in and feed and water too.
is this a true story
Where does it say he did that all at once?
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: wildlifeartist1]
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06/13/25 07:19 AM
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they don't even know who wrote what we have now and call the bible and it took 1500 years
god has to be the worst communicator.. he? wrote it on grass and skins no problem there
as copies got old just make a new copy by hand oops i missed a few lines a paragraph
a chapter .. is that ( a we or a them ) i can't make it out just guess, thousands of
clerical errors, we do not have the original anymore. so what did really say?
You seem to miss It's GOD your speaking of. Creator if everything. If he wants his word preserved it will be. If he wants a whale to come up and give you transportation and you be alive when you get there you will be and it will. If he wants 300 foxes to be used to start a fire they likely walked right up and wanted to get the fire fastened to them When the LORD wants something done it will be done. Often it will be unbelievable and against all odds and it's by design to leave zero doubt it was God's hand.
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Giant Sage]
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[quote=J Staton]The first coming would be mentioned in John1:1.
John 1:1 tells us that Jesus pre existed everything. But I was speaking about the first time he appeared as a man. Scholars tell us that the angel of God mentioned a few times in the Old Testament was actually Jesus appearing as a man.
Now, there are historical writings that indicate strange miracles and Jesus appearing during the Jewish war of 70 AD. That's not concrete evidence that it's true but there's no reason to rule it out, either. Of course it also doesn't mean there won't be a future return.
Skinner , are you speaking of instances like the Lord coming to Abraham before the distruction of Sadom.
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maybe when he appeared to Joshua by the river Jordan as a Man with a sword.
Or maybe even as early as Adam and Eve heard the lord walking in the cool of the day in the Garden.
Yes. I'm not sure about the garden of Eden...never really thought about that being Jesus, but of course, why wouldn't it be? He appeared to Abraham as a man to re affirm the promise of a son, too.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: wildlifeartist1]
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06/13/25 07:40 AM
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they don't even know who wrote what we have now and call the bible and it took 1500 years
god has to be the worst communicator.. he? wrote it on grass and skins no problem there
as copies got old just make a new copy by hand oops i missed a few lines a paragraph
a chapter .. is that ( a we or a them ) i can't make it out just guess, thousands of
clerical errors, we do not have the original anymore. so what did really say?
There's no significant differences between the writings from the dead sea scrolls and the ones that made it in the Bible. Those clerical errors are irrelevant, because the theology remains intact.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Husky]
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When people scoff at the miracles , just remember, they believe in just one miracle but it's a whopper. They believe everything came from nothing for no reason.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Husky]
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Nero was anti Christ, but he was not THE Anti-Christ. The Bible says that when he is revealed the whole world will know. In numerology, there is a practice called gematria where Hebrew letters are assigned numeric values and then the values of words can be calculated from the letters. The Hebrew for Nero Caesar is calculated as 666.
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: J Staton]
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06/13/25 11:02 AM
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If Nero was the Antichrist who were the two witnesses he slew that were resurrected three and a half days later? I don't know. Revelation is steeped in symbolism which leads to a multitude of interpretations. A guess would be Saints Peter and Paul, who were martyred in Rome during Nero's reign.
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Husky]
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06/13/25 11:08 AM
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There are numerous proofs that Jesus existed from the beginning. Gen. 1:26, "Lets US make make man in Our image, according to OUR likeness".
Col. 1:16, "For by him all things were created both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities, all things have been created by Him and for Him." 2:9 "For in Him all the fulness of Deity dwells in bodily form." These are more that refer to his deity.
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Re: Reliability of the Bible
[Re: Giant Sage]
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06/13/25 11:35 AM
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GS, Jesus and Paul are referring to his return in combination to the other things. If it was that present generation he was referring to, when did Jesus return? The only group I know of that say Jesus has already returned are the Jehovah Witnesses. T7 I believe Jesus speaking to an audience that understood old testament judgment language. . Hears a few.. Lev 16:2 Ezekial 30:3 joel2:2 Zephiniah 1:15 (comes in clouds) Isaiah 13:10. 34:4. Ez 32:7-8 Jer4:27-28 darkness, stars falling. Apocalyptic type language. GS, there are so many opinions on what some of these things mean. My take on it is that right or wrong, it has no consequences on salvation which is the most important issue. I'm putting all my marbles on Jesus and his redeeming blood to save me. Without that I have no hope, I am lost. You, me, and a lot of us on here are on the same team. Our differences really don't matter because of the goal.
Got a photo from a speeding camera in the mail. I immediately sent it back - way too expensive and really poor quality.
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