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Barrel Twist Rate for Heiver Bullets QUESTION #8420487
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My extremely lucky 15 year old son drew an apprentice elk tag, he has a .270 that he was taken several deer with. He has been shooting 130 grain Barnes TTSX BT.

We would like to load up some heavier bullets for the elk hunt, according to the Barnes load data the 150 gr TSX FB require a 1:9.5" barrel twist rate, and the 155 gr LRX BT require a 1:8" twist rate.

"require" seems like a strong word... what will happen if we load some test loads for his rifle with its 1:10" twist rate?
Thanks,


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Don't know...find some Jack O Conner articles, 270 was his favorite and he killed everything with one...do what he did.

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That 130 TTSX will kill ever elk in this country if bullet placement is good.


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The rate of twist could affect your accuracy. If you load some test bullets and they group to your satisfaction it will be fine.
I would also agree with hat the 130 grain TTSX should be fine.

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Originally Posted by Crappiekiller
That 130 TTSX will kill ever elk in this country if bullet placement is good.


Correct that’s all my wife shoots, kills elk dead.

Re: Barrel Twist Rate for Heiver Bullets QUESTION [Re: Robert Martin] #8420532
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Elevation will also affect the stabilization. You can get away with a heavier bullet in a slower twist barrel at higher elevations. Personally I'd shoot something other than that TTSX, but it will work. The 136gr Terminal Ascents shoot extremely well for factory loads. Elk aren't bullet proof.


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Originally Posted by sneaky
Elevation will also affect the stabilization. You can get away with a heavier bullet in a slower twist barrel at higher elevations. Personally I'd shoot something other than that TTSX, but it will work. The 136gr Terminal Ascents shoot extremely well for factory loads. Elk aren't bullet proof.

We live at 3,300 feet elevation and do our load development out the back door. The elk will be hunted anywhere from 7,000 feet to 2,000 feet elevation. I've seen big heards with monster bulls on both ends of the elevation range. Being in California lead free is required, the game wardens are starting get more serious about that...


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Originally Posted by Papa Dozer
The rate of twist could affect your accuracy. If you load some test bullets and they group to your satisfaction it will be fine...

This is what I assumed, but then it seems like the Barnes load data would say faster twist rate "recommended" and not "required"


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If they dont stabilize ur accuracy will suffer. I wouldn't rebarrel just to shoot those bullets unless your barrel is wore out. Personally I'd just try the Federal Terminal ascent. You can shoot a heavier bullet with them or any lead core without faster twist. Since they are bonded and have a solid copper base they aren't going to come apart leaving lead all over in the meat.

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But I'd feel safe with the lighter barnes bullets for elk out to reasonable ranges just try to stay away from the big bones

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Thank you all for the info, I appreciate it!

Originally Posted by Yes sir
...You can shoot a heavier bullet with them or any lead core without faster twist. Since they are bonded and have a solid copper base they aren't going to come apart leaving lead all over in the meat.
It is illegal in the democratic state of California to carry a bullet with any amount of lead while hunting...


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They say recommend because there are several factors that influence whether a bullet will stabilize but I doubt at 2000 feet elevation you are going to have much leeway. Just give Barnes a call they will answer all your questions.

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The other side of the coil is its always fun to buy another gun grin

Re: Barrel Twist Rate for Heiver Bullets QUESTION [Re: Robert Martin] #8420551
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Originally Posted by Robert Martin
My extremely lucky 15 year old son drew an apprentice elk tag, he has a .270 that he was taken several deer with. He has been shooting 130 grain Barnes TTSX BT.

We would like to load up some heavier bullets for the elk hunt, according to the Barnes load data the 150 gr TSX FB require a 1:9.5" barrel twist rate, and the 155 gr LRX BT require a 1:8" twist rate.

"require" seems like a strong word... what will happen if we load some test loads for his rifle with its 1:10" twist rate?
Thanks,


worst case keyhole and not fly well.
provide poor groups

if you want to push heavy bullets in a slower twist barrel , then speed is your friend look for a powder that gets you the most velocity you can get of course using safe load data

think about this in a 223 vs 22-250 senario
a 1:12 twist with a 60gr bullet in a 223 is conditionally stable , but a 1:12 twist in a 22-250 is fine with the same bullet

you are looking for a sweet spot a range of RPMs for the bullet that keep it spin stabilized without spinning it too fast so that a tiny imperfection in a bullet would make it unstable from being off round or unballanced.

thinking of it like a spiral with a football that keeps it spinning on a strait trajectoryfor your minimum rpm
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thinking of it like a slightly unbalanced tire , you don't feel the vibration till you get to a certain rpm for your max rpm

you might be able to hit that window of works with speed in a 1:10 rather than needing a 1:8 barrel.
the target will tell you if your doing it through consistent groups
if you get way off int he too slow rpm range the bullet will keyhole on targets.


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Re: Barrel Twist Rate for Heiver Bullets QUESTION [Re: Robert Martin] #8420552
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I seriously doubt can gain 2" of trist with a couple of hundred fps of velocity. Berger has a free stability calculator on their website that will give you a pretty good idea if your anywhere close to stabilizing any particular bullet. And in reality its the legnth of the bullet not the weight that influences how much twist you need

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Distance matters too.

I tried some pure copper bullets in a 340 wby with less twist than recommended and they did ok out to 200yds but were all over the place at 500.
Same gun shot shorter lead core bullets of same weight great so test at whatever you think will be your longest shot if you go with the heavier ones.
I'm guessing you might get away with them...but maybe not.

I'm with the guys saying to use what you've always been using. A good hit with a lighter bullet is better than a bad hit with anything else.


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Originally Posted by Yes sir
I seriously doubt can gain 2" of trist with a couple of hundred fps of velocity. Berger has a free stability calculator on their website that will give you a pretty good idea if your anywhere close to stabilizing any particular bullet. And in reality its the legnth of the bullet not the weight that influences how much twist you need



Yep


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Buy a creedmoor then it won't matter what bullet use u just have hit close to them for the creedmoor to kill grin

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I have one!

Cute,little Howa that doesn't weigh 7 pounds, scope and all. Shoots good to boot.


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I have 2 and waiting on a barrel for a third one but I still laugh at some of the hype that people fell for over the 6.5.
2 of them are of the 6mm flavor so u can get a bullet actually over 3000 fps

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