Manfred, would you say the supreme leader of Iran is a murderer?

Amish are always hiring up here.
You'd have to flatten the brim of your hat tho.

....."By the third century AD, rabbis attempted to further separate Jesus' disciples from mainstream Judaism by introducing a controversial legend into the Oral Law (The Talmud). They hoped that this legend would create discomfort among Jesus' followers and ultimately lead to their expulsion from the Jewish community. This legend, found in the Talmud's tractate Sanhedrin 107b, claims that Jesus practiced witchcraft and lured the Israelites away from the God of Israel and towards idolatry. According to the story, Jesus was a student of Rabbi ben Perahiah, with whom he had a disagreement. In retaliation, Jesus allegedly started studying witchcraft in Egypt with the intention of corrupting the people of Israel........

.....In the Talmud's tractate Gitten 56b-57a, another account referencing Jesus the Nazarene describes him enduring eternal punishment in (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman), submerged in boiling excrement. This punishment is presented as retribution for his alleged misdeeds and for supposedly leading the people of Israel away from God and towards idolatry." - Jesus in the Talmud: The Rabbis' Horrific Legends about Christ

Israel has been invaded by Arab terrorists eleven times since they obtained nukes. The last time was just in Oct. of 2023. Having nukes does not deter fanatics, and I doubt it would deter them from using them if they had them.

Obama ordered the killing of Anwar-Awlaki and his son who was a U.S. citizen.

Chauncey the Jews believe people only go to Gehinnom for a short time after dying, typically less than 12 months. They don't believe in eternal, or even long punishment. The Jews that believe in Gehinnom, many Jews don't, believe dead people are washed of their sins and come out pure

Gitten 56b-57a





https://www.sefaria.org/Gittin.57a.4?lang=bi

Keith

I think having a nuclear weapon and being seen as crazy or radical is a sure deterrent to Regime Change from a foreign government.........North Korea and China for example.

Not a doubt in my mind, that if Iran had nuclear weapons and was just holding them, then Israel would not have done what they did a couple of days ago. IMO, this Iran situation has nothing to do with nuclear weapons in the first place; it has 100% to do with Israel wanting regime change in the region and in Iran; just like Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, etc. It's been that way for at least 40 years.

Did you learn to read some?
Did you read the Bible quite a bit?
Can't understand all of it, but you reckon you understand a good deal of it?

Most of the violence in the Middle East is paid for and promoted by the Islamic Republic of Iran. Once Iran has a secular government, the Middle East will be a much safer, better place for everybody but the Islamists. The worst Islamists, outside of Iran and Yemen, mostly live in Europe now.

Keith

And probably soon to be here as well. Coincidence?

Where are the Saudis in this mess? They are sunni arabs and have no love the shia persians. Matter of fact theyve been dealing with the mess in Yemen which is being backed by Iran.

They've tacitly made their peace with Israel so why arent they stepping out?

Warrior, I think they are rubbing their hands in great anticipation to make a lot of money soon off oil prices with this mess. Same with the rich and elite in our country.

The Saudis aren't as capable as Israel, but have been shooting down some drones and missiles sent at Israel. The Saudi leadership likes money and peace more than they hate Israel. Their royal family has lots of Jewish genetics. A high percentage of Arabic Muslims have some Jewish genetics. The lower class people in Saudi Arabia mostly hate the Jews. The Saudi rulers need to be careful not to overly upset the lower class.

Keith

Many of the worst Islamists in the US recently moved to Canada, fled to destinations unknown, or have been deported by ICE following the orders of President Donald Trump. Canada is in trouble and more likely to experience Islamic terrorism than we are now.

Keith

In Ezekiel 38 39 God says he will lead Gog and his armies to Isreal and he will slaugther them there to show his power.
He says nothing about sending Israelites (or even Americans) to Persia and make them slougther anybody themselfes.

I have not studied Chamenei's history and the command structures in Iran in detail.
But given the functions and power he holded and is holding, he very likely is a murderer, too.

It will be interesting to see what Trump's plans are now.
He likely will give Iran an ultimatum that Iran's leadership can't accept.
So the US will go to war again.
But you can't destroy Iran's most important nuclear facilities from the air as they are in the mountains 800 m below ground.
Not even nukes can do that.
Your B2s with conventional bunker breakers may be able to reach some of the older facilities like Fordow.
Than what?
Worst thing that can happen is that Netanyahu kills Chamenei.
Than very likely the fatwa against nukes will fall und they will really start going for them.

Will you then send in your sons on the ground, to fight throuth the Iranian mountains?
You will likely take losses you have not seen since WW2.

"Israel says Iran was racing toward a bomb. US intelligence says it was years away"

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/17/politics/israel-iran-nuclear-bomb-us-intelligence-years-away

CIA has been saying this for years, so has IAEA.
Only Netanyahu and his rope team are claiming otherwise, to get the war they have been working for so long.

Whatever his reasons...

If your sources are CNN, your posts mean very little.