The Saudis aren't as capable as Israel, but have been shooting down some drones and missiles sent at Israel. The Saudi leadership likes money and peace more than they hate Israel. Their royal family has lots of Jewish genetics. A high percentage of Arabic Muslims have some Jewish genetics. The lower class people in Saudi Arabia mostly hate the Jews. The Saudi rulers need to be careful not to overly upset the lower class.

Keith

Many of the worst Islamists in the US recently moved to Canada, fled to destinations unknown, or have been deported by ICE following the orders of President Donald Trump. Canada is in trouble and more likely to experience Islamic terrorism than we are now.

Keith

In Ezekiel 38 39 God says he will lead Gog and his armies to Isreal and he will slaugther them there to show his power.
He says nothing about sending Israelites (or even Americans) to Persia and make them slougther anybody themselfes.

I have not studied Chamenei's history and the command structures in Iran in detail.
But given the functions and power he holded and is holding, he very likely is a murderer, too.

It will be interesting to see what Trump's plans are now.
He likely will give Iran an ultimatum that Iran's leadership can't accept.
So the US will go to war again.
But you can't destroy Iran's most important nuclear facilities from the air as they are in the mountains 800 m below ground.
Not even nukes can do that.
Your B2s with conventional bunker breakers may be able to reach some of the older facilities like Fordow.
Than what?
Worst thing that can happen is that Netanyahu kills Chamenei.
Than very likely the fatwa against nukes will fall und they will really start going for them.

Will you then send in your sons on the ground, to fight throuth the Iranian mountains?
You will likely take losses you have not seen since WW2.

"Israel says Iran was racing toward a bomb. US intelligence says it was years away"

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/17/politics/israel-iran-nuclear-bomb-us-intelligence-years-away

CIA has been saying this for years, so has IAEA.
Only Netanyahu and his rope team are claiming otherwise, to get the war they have been working for so long.

Whatever his reasons...

If your sources are CNN, your posts mean very little.

From my 30000 foot view Israel intelligence and planning us very good. Do I think they have my interest in mind NO. Do I think pulling us in to do the heavy lifting as part of that great planing is possible absolutely. Yes.

But do I want them to get to the point North Korea is with functional nukes and ballistic missiles even if it's a few years away? Absolutely not. They clear chant death to America( hey that's me and my family you as well)
and they want to wipe Israel off the map. To me removing threats preemptively is smart. ( same reasion I took down a couple dieing maple trees thet were over and leaning to the house.

Then there is the Do you want your kids going to war. NEWS FLASH for you no parent does but a huge amount of young guys that volunteer for our military did so to do just that. Any that didn't and only did so for gi bill or get school paid for were so dumb they didn't look at our history of war. But war is what they signed up for as ugly as it it it's necessary at times and we have the best equipped, trained and brave young soldiers in the world. And if a big meat grinder breaks out and a draft happens I have young boys that will be draft age starting in 3 years and yes it's on my mind from that angle as well. And I sure don't want them killing people and geting killed or crippled for our for proffit war machine for nothing like Afghanistan. At the same time some things are worth dieing for. My problem is figuring out when we are being lied to to get support for it.

If the Iranian people want change with the outside support Keith says they are geting and how bad those uncharged have ane will continue to be weakened they can take over themselves. On the flip side I saw where our embacy had gotten damaged over there and that could be used by itself as justification for us to light Iran up.


What happens is going to happen. You or me on a key board won't change a thing. May want to buy stock in LMT and friends.

How do you nuke terrorist? Nukes deter invasions by other countries. How many wars since yon kipper?

This is just plain stupid.....

Israel bomb history

For chauncy

Manfred, you probably should stick to your history about how things got done over there, instead of trying to second guess our country's way's of getting things done !!

Iran will not accept anything unless it's sided for them, they will bluff and agree to anything to get a respite as they always have !

Israel this time isn't waiting for any thing concrete any longer, they want the Nuke problem taken care of and there is enough infiltration in Iran to carry this out whether it be buried or not !

USA will support them with any needs, short of boots on the ground unless thats for clean up, as has been done before !

buried or not - folks gotta come and go. They ain't producing nukes down in a mountain and tunneling through to blow them up under Israel........purty sure our aircraft or Israeli could make the entrance and exits rather difficult to access

Thesis Nr. 1 already happend.

Nice edit ......I'm talking about your last statement in that post

Not a hard choice accept the terms or die.

We will see if it comes to a large ground operation.
But there are still serveral steps to go before that.
And I pray Trump will not go that far.

By the way: It might not be the smartest move to expose Taiwan while attacking one of Chinas allies in a time with this much domestic pressure an Xi.

It’s looking very suspect that the United States may indeed go forth with bunker busters… I’ve seen several outlets saying that stealth bombers have been moved to the region ( which made little sense to me, because stealth bombers are long range aircraft) and trumps warning to folks to clear out.

Strategic bluffing?? I dunno.. but Israel is done playing games and going straight for the jugular!!! They want every molecule of that nuclear program destroyed.

Now we go to a bigger question of the unknown,, should the current regime collapse,, there’s that possibility of an even worse one coming into power from the vacuum… we saw this happening when saddam was toppled.
The nuclear program has absolutely. Positively needed to be destroyed. If these guys are willing to strap on a backpack full of explosives and believe they are going to the land of 72 virgins,, you can absolutely guarantee they are salivating at the idea of turning Israel into a sheet of glass.

It’s a dang if you do and dang if you don’t type of situation.

Not trying to stop a nuclear weapon could have unseen implications,, but stopping it with the potential of toppling the current regime does too.

Serious things to consider

What happened to this guy?