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Re: Churches avoiding teachings? [Re: 2zwudz] #8421979
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Acts 26:10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.


Does this verse lean your thinking that maybe Paul belonged to the Sanhedrin ?

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Originally Posted by J Staton
Jesus was pretty hard lined in that divorce was only allowed when fornication occurs. That's why I said it was above my pay scale when I referred to "other reasons for divorce".


Jesus was also hard lined on a lot of things. Including on the consequences of not following what He said.

He sometimes used a style of teaching where He says something pretty generically, easy to misunderstand. Then restates it from a different perspective. Then restates it again. Keeps hitting the same point and by the end its very hard to misunderstand. If you catch the pattern and consider in total, its very hard to misunderstand.

For example, take Matthew 7:13-29.

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13 Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.


ok, so lots of people are going to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). But that's just murders, rapists, people who hate God, right? Raise your hand if you love Jesus, we're all going to Heavan, right?

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15 Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits.


wait, so its people who look one way, but are not really what they portray? not sure who we're talking about now...

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21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles? 23 And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.


WOW!!! the lots of people going to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) in verses 13 and 14 call Jesus Lord and think they're serving him!
They lived their life thinking they were serving Jesus, but they ignored what he had told them to, so Jesus is rejecting them.

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24 Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26 Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it felland great was its fall.


I thought this was just a little nursry rhyme for the kids to sing a song about? In the context it looks like its reiterating how seriously we need to take Bible teaching because the casual "Christians" are in trouble

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28 When Jesus had finished these words, the crowds were amazed at His teaching; 29 for He was teaching them as one having authority, and not as their scribes.


Yeah, no kidding. A lot of churches avoid or ignore what the Bible teaches today. But I guess he covered that back in verse 22.

a bit chilling, isn't it?


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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by J Staton
Jesus was pretty hard lined in that divorce was only allowed when fornication occurs. That's why I said it was above my pay scale when I referred to "other reasons for divorce".

1 Corinthians 7;15 Matthew 5;32 and 19;9 come to mind, maybe they'll help!

Thanks 22. I wonder if two unbelievers marrying is considered a marriage in God's eyes? What if they become believers?

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Originally Posted by loosegoose
I'm not sure why the whole divorce and remarriage thing is so hard. Jesus spoke directly about it, he didn't beat around the bush. Remarriage for reason other than fornication is adultery.

Now, that being said......what does repentance for what Jesus calls an adulterous relationship look like? Does Jesus want a remarried couple to stay together in what He calls an adulterous relationship, because breaking up the relationship would be extremely inconvenient and uncomfortable?


In Ezra, there's an example of marriages God did not condone, and how they were commanded to resolve it.

Originally Posted by Ezra 10:11

Now therefore, make confession to the Lord God of your fathers and do His will; and separate yourselves from the peoples of the land and from the foreign wives.


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Since we're speaking of churches, I wonder how Matthew 18:21-35 would fit into this discussion of sin?

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Originally Posted by J Staton
Since we're speaking of churches, I wonder how Matthew 18:21-35 would fit into this discussion of sin?


If someone repents, even of terrible and extensive sin, we are to forgive them, as Jesus also does.
That is different from excusing and ignoring ongoing sin and pretending its ok.


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J, I believe yes, God does acknowledge a marriage between two non believers although I can't quote any scripture to back that up. It does speak of one being a believer and the other not, unequally yoked. But God used so many nonbelievers or heatherns to do his work, like Saul was transformed into Paul, that says to me God recognizes the marriage and of course Jesus loves all and I'm sure they'd be tickled to death if both became believers.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Its definitely seemed to have got more complicated today. In the days of old a man could get around the two marriage thing by simple having his first wife stoned or burned and that left him free to marry again.

But then there was where Judah got out smarted by Tamar when he tried to have her burned. So happens that relationship resulted in twins of which one was Perez and was in the lineage of Jesus.

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Originally Posted by someGuyInKansas
Originally Posted by J Staton
Since we're speaking of churches, I wonder how Matthew 18:21-35 would fit into this discussion of sin?


If someone repents, even of terrible and extensive sin, we are to forgive them, as Jesus also does.
That is different from excusing and ignoring ongoing sin and pretending its ok.

Of course a church shouldn't ignore/excuse sin or pretend it's okay. Just as it's not okay for a church to become so "black and white" that they believe they walk on water. Plenty of those too.
My idea church would be a church that took headline news and broke it down into a biblical context. Much as the churches of the Revolutionary period in the U.S. Unfortunately, Mr. Johnson nipped that in the bud with his amendment back in the 50's.

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Chiff notes please.
TLTR..


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Originally Posted by Vinke
Chiff notes please.
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Yep.....just follow the 10 commandments......easy peasy


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Chiff notes please.
TLTR..



Yep.....just follow the 10 commandments......easy peasy


Those aren't allowed on a lot of Court House lawns. Makes one wonder where they are getting the laws for their court room, lol.

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Originally Posted by 2zwudz
For those that attend church on Sundays why are the churches not teaching /speaking on any of the sexual sins that are so prominent in our society. We have been to 4 different churches in the last 20 years and none of them speak on this.

They do here.


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In the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew, Jesus takes the 10 Commandments and raises the bar on them exponentially. Matthew 5:28 incriminates all men with blood in their bodies IMO; not just the married ones that commited adultery.

We are all sinners. That's the whole point of the Gospel.


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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by Foxpaw

What you are trying to say is you can't marry again because you would be married to two women and in your way of thinking that would be adultery. The adultery is committed the first time you looked at the other woman. Yes when you divorce and remarry that first glance was adultery. When you divorce you are breaking your vow. If you break a glass how many more times can you break it? A church such as you speak is a continual ship wreck that breaks faith and good conscience of any passing by.


So just to keep the thinking-things-through going, how many wives did Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solmon have? GOD kinda liked those guys didn't HE? Before you can marry another woman you have to be attracted to her, right? I have met no one who can show me where GOD said you cannot MARRY more than one woman. I know about Timothy and Deacon and Preacher requirements but that says these specific people can only be married to one woman. So is marriage to more than one woman adultery, lust or fornication?

Now all that said, AIN'T NO WAY I would marry more than one woman. That's stupid!!


LOL, If people have problems in their minds where a divorced person can't remarry, just imagine trying to keep the Mormons walking the straight and narrow. There has been even blood shed over some of that. Some perhaps justified when it comes to children being abused.

Back in the seventies I was in a presbytery meeting where a deacon was up for ordination. He had been married to 3 wives and was on his fourth. All of his 3 previous wives by his testimony had all had affairs so he was in the clear to divorce and marry again. He was away from here so no one really knew the circumstances. Only thing known was he was loaded, so you guessed it, he was in. There was less than a hand full voted against him. He spent some of his money on the church he belonged to. When he died his daughter had a big picture she wanted to hang up to memorialize him, but the newer deacons told her they had a picture of Jesus and that was enough.

The condition of the church has been in a slide down hill for quite a while. The church has got worldly and the world has got churchy.

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Originally Posted by Chancey
In the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew, Jesus takes the 10 Commandments and raises the bar on them exponentially. Matthew 5:28 incriminates all men with blood in their bodies IMO; not just the married ones that commited adultery.

We are all sinners. That's the whole point of the Gospel.

That's exactly what a lot of people don't get. They think they can help God save them. The people that Jesus will say he never knew might be the most strict church people in the world. Because they were depending on thier goodness and not on God.


Right now Im having amnesia and dj vu at the same time. I think Ive forgotten this before.
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Would God put a marriage back together if it was wrong?


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Originally Posted by J Staton
Jesus was pretty hard lined in that divorce was only allowed when fornication occurs. That's why I said it was above my pay scale when I referred to "other reasons for divorce".


Could you give me that scripture where Jesus allowed divorce? I thought he quoted that Moses allowed it.. Please educate me where Jesus said divorce was allowed.

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Agree Skinner.
What man, single or otherwise, has never lusted over a beautiful woman?


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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Would God put a marriage back together if it was wrong?



God can lead people to repent and ask forgiveness which can bring about restoration of a marriage. People make a choice to get married - just like salvation - they choose.
I would never limit God as I truly can barely imagine a tiny aspect of the love He has for us even as sinners.

How would a marriage be wrong? As in a second marriage caused by divorce? Those are answers folks have to work out on their own with God. I never want to be condemning to anyone involved in a second marriage with a living spouse but I will tell them what I read in the Bible. We all make our own choices. We are all sinners who can receive salvation through Jesus Christ. I would always suggest reconciliation with a spouse as I see no Biblical exception for a remarriage to another spouse.

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