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Re: Churches avoiding teachings? [Re: Foxpaw] #8422023
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw

What you are trying to say is you can't marry again because you would be married to two women and in your way of thinking that would be adultery. The adultery is committed the first time you looked at the other woman. Yes when you divorce and remarry that first glance was adultery. When you divorce you are breaking your vow. If you break a glass how many more times can you break it? A church such as you speak is a continual ship wreck that breaks faith and good conscience of any passing by.


So just to keep the thinking-things-through going, how many wives did Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solmon have? GOD kinda liked those guys didn't HE? Before you can marry another woman you have to be attracted to her, right? I have met no one who can show me where GOD said you cannot MARRY more than one woman. I know about Timothy and Deacon and Preacher requirements but that says these specific people can only be married to one woman. So is marriage to more than one woman adultery, lust or fornication?

Now all that said, AIN'T NO WAY I would marry more than one woman. That's stupid!!


How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
Re: Churches avoiding teachings? [Re: 2zwudz] #8422024
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Where did the tribes of Israel come from?


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Re: Churches avoiding teachings? [Re: AntiGov] #8422029
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Originally Posted by Vinke
Chiff notes please…….
TLTR…..



Yep.....just follow the 10 commandments......easy peasy


Those aren't allowed on a lot of Court House lawns. Makes one wonder where they are getting the laws for their court room, lol.

Re: Churches avoiding teachings? [Re: 2zwudz] #8422044
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Originally Posted by 2zwudz
For those that attend church on Sundays why are the churches not teaching /speaking on any of the sexual sins that are so prominent in our society. We have been to 4 different churches in the last 20 years and none of them speak on this.

They do here.


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Re: Churches avoiding teachings? [Re: 2zwudz] #8422054
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In the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew, Jesus takes the 10 Commandments and raises the bar on them exponentially. Matthew 5:28 incriminates all men with blood in their bodies IMO; not just the married ones that commited adultery.

We are all sinners. That's the whole point of the Gospel.


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Re: Churches avoiding teachings? [Re: bowhunter27295] #8422060
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by Foxpaw

What you are trying to say is you can't marry again because you would be married to two women and in your way of thinking that would be adultery. The adultery is committed the first time you looked at the other woman. Yes when you divorce and remarry that first glance was adultery. When you divorce you are breaking your vow. If you break a glass how many more times can you break it? A church such as you speak is a continual ship wreck that breaks faith and good conscience of any passing by.


So just to keep the thinking-things-through going, how many wives did Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solmon have? GOD kinda liked those guys didn't HE? Before you can marry another woman you have to be attracted to her, right? I have met no one who can show me where GOD said you cannot MARRY more than one woman. I know about Timothy and Deacon and Preacher requirements but that says these specific people can only be married to one woman. So is marriage to more than one woman adultery, lust or fornication?

Now all that said, AIN'T NO WAY I would marry more than one woman. That's stupid!!


LOL, If people have problems in their minds where a divorced person can't remarry, just imagine trying to keep the Mormons walking the straight and narrow. There has been even blood shed over some of that. Some perhaps justified when it comes to children being abused.

Back in the seventies I was in a presbytery meeting where a deacon was up for ordination. He had been married to 3 wives and was on his fourth. All of his 3 previous wives by his testimony had all had affairs so he was in the clear to divorce and marry again. He was away from here so no one really knew the circumstances. Only thing known was he was loaded, so you guessed it, he was in. There was less than a hand full voted against him. He spent some of his money on the church he belonged to. When he died his daughter had a big picture she wanted to hang up to memorialize him, but the newer deacons told her they had a picture of Jesus and that was enough.

The condition of the church has been in a slide down hill for quite a while. The church has got worldly and the world has got churchy.

Re: Churches avoiding teachings? [Re: Chancey] #8422086
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Originally Posted by Chancey
In the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew, Jesus takes the 10 Commandments and raises the bar on them exponentially. Matthew 5:28 incriminates all men with blood in their bodies IMO; not just the married ones that commited adultery.

We are all sinners. That's the whole point of the Gospel.

That's exactly what a lot of people don't get. They think they can help God save them. The people that Jesus will say he never knew might be the most strict church people in the world. Because they were depending on thier goodness and not on God.


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: Churches avoiding teachings? [Re: 2zwudz] #8422096
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Would God put a marriage back together if it was wrong?


-Goofy
Re: Churches avoiding teachings? [Re: J Staton] #8422115
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Jesus was pretty hard lined in that divorce was only allowed when fornication occurs. That's why I said it was above my pay scale when I referred to "other reasons for divorce".


Could you give me that scripture where Jesus allowed divorce? I thought he quoted that Moses allowed it.. Please educate me where Jesus said divorce was allowed.

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Agree Skinner.
What man, single or otherwise, has never lusted over a beautiful woman?


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Re: Churches avoiding teachings? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8422124
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Would God put a marriage back together if it was wrong?



God can lead people to repent and ask forgiveness which can bring about restoration of a marriage. People make a choice to get married - just like salvation - they choose.
I would never limit God as I truly can barely imagine a tiny aspect of the love He has for us even as sinners.

How would a marriage be wrong? As in a second marriage caused by divorce? Those are answers folks have to work out on their own with God. I never want to be condemning to anyone involved in a second marriage with a living spouse but I will tell them what I read in the Bible. We all make our own choices. We are all sinners who can receive salvation through Jesus Christ. I would always suggest reconciliation with a spouse as I see no Biblical exception for a remarriage to another spouse.

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Originally Posted by Chancey
Agree Skinner.
What man, single or otherwise, has never lusted over a beautiful woman?


Life application of Romans 3:23 - I agree

The only requirement for Gods grace - to be a sinner. We all qualify.

Re: Churches avoiding teachings? [Re: 2zwudz] #8422127
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Yet God would repair a second marriage, make it fruitful and condemn those individuals even still?


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Re: Churches avoiding teachings? [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #8422131
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Originally Posted by TreedaBlackdog
Originally Posted by J Staton
Jesus was pretty hard lined in that divorce was only allowed when fornication occurs. That's why I said it was above my pay scale when I referred to "other reasons for divorce".


Could you give me that scripture where Jesus allowed divorce? I thought he quoted that Moses allowed it.. Please educate me where Jesus said divorce was allowed.


What is your interpretation of Jesus word in Matthew 5:32, Matthew 19:9 ? Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:15? Honest question.


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What is your interpretation of Jesus word in Matthew 5:32, Matthew 19:9 ? Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:15? Honest question.
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My interpretation would be that divorce causes adultery. 1 Cor interpretation would be that he is speaking to a believing spouse of an unbeliever and to allow separation for a time

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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Yet God would repair a second marriage, make it fruitful and condemn those individuals even still?


Personally - I can not say God would even recognize a second marriage. How can He separate what was joined as one? I would never say God will condemn an individual because I do believe in unconditional love and forgiveness by Jesus Christ. That said, scripturally, I find it easiest to follow what Jesus teaches us. Again, I see no difference in someone being married 2 or 3 times before they truly had the knowledge of Jesus Christ in their life. If they continue on in sin.....that is different. See, when I joined in premarital sex, I was no different than someone married several times without knowledge of Christ. If I continue to sin while professing Christ then I am no different than someone going out and getting constantly remarried. Again, we can't earn it - by faith we are saved.

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Originally Posted by TreedaBlackdog
Originally Posted by Chancey
Agree Skinner.
What man, single or otherwise, has never lusted over a beautiful woman?


Life application of Romans 3:23 - I agree

The only requirement for Gods grace - to be a sinner. We all qualify.

For ye are saved by grace through faith.


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Originally Posted by TreedaBlackdog
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Yet God would repair a second marriage, make it fruitful and condemn those individuals even still?


Personally - I can not say God would even recognize a second marriage. How can He separate what was joined as one? I would never say God will condemn an individual because I do believe in unconditional love and forgiveness by Jesus Christ. That said, scripturally, I find it easiest to follow what Jesus teaches us. Again, I see no difference in someone being married 2 or 3 times before they truly had the knowledge of Jesus Christ in their life. If they continue on in sin.....that is different. See, when I joined in premarital sex, I was no different than someone married several times without knowledge of Christ. If I continue to sin while professing Christ then I am no different than someone going out and getting constantly remarried. Again, we can't earn it - by faith we are saved.


So all the good in my life is of my own doing?

I don’t know what to do with this new revelation. This is going to free up Sundays and put money back in the family coffers. Thank you Treedablackdog.


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Originally Posted by TreedaBlackdog
Originally Posted by J Staton
Jesus was pretty hard lined in that divorce was only allowed when fornication occurs. That's why I said it was above my pay scale when I referred to "other reasons for divorce".


Could you give me that scripture where Jesus allowed divorce? I thought he quoted that Moses allowed it.. Please educate me where Jesus said divorce was allowed.

Matthew 19:9. I still don't believe that Jesus would considerer a battered and beaten woman guilty of adultery if she divorces the abuser and marries another. I just believe that divorce should only occur for the most egregious offenses such as spousal abuse. I believe Jesus just didn't take the time to point those reasons out in His conversation with the Pharisees. He just wanted to make the point that divorce was not acceptable, especially for the reasons Jewish men were using to divorce their wife. Of course, that's not what Matthew 19:9 says.

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Can’t get divorced, can’t put a gun in her mouth or your own, looks like the hippies had it right, just don’t get married at all.


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