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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8422488
06/19/25 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
So emminent domain to take your house is good but selling it back is bad?

Not really a fair comparison and not how eminent domain is used, they don't sell your house back to you. I'm glad ole Teddy did what he did so I'll say yes, I appreciate what he did and all the reasons behind it. Public lands were set aside for us and should never be sold for any reason including private or political gain.

You know as well as I do that if sold they will be raped and pillaged by the wealthy or good Lord forbid, foreigners. To me, public lands are not a commodity and the US sure ain't that poor to justify selling. It's bad enough that we all experience some sort of loss of access to public lands, think about the precedent it will set to sell off a huge chunk.

If DC follows the Constitution then so be it, nothing to do about it I reckon. I truly can't believe on a outdoor forum people are advocating for the selling of OUR public land. It's a win win for the rich to get richer and a loose loose for all the rest, including the redneck hilljacks like me. I'm sure the federal gov will spend that sale money wisely.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8422495
06/19/25 04:18 PM
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Lot of rich people hate on this thread?


Who is John Galt?
Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: Dirt] #8422497
06/19/25 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Lot of rich people hate on this thread?

Nope, just a lot of truth, gimme your lunch money. grin


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8422518
06/19/25 04:46 PM
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I'll say out loud what we all know. The few people on here that are twisting this issue around to try to make it defensible would be wailing and nashing their teeth if the Biden administration had proposed this. And that's all you really need to know.....

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8422524
06/19/25 04:57 PM
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The Biden administration would never propose this. Bunny huggers love public land. They get to limit use.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: Pafoxman] #8422566
06/19/25 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
I'll say out loud what we all know. The few people on here that are twisting this issue around to try to make it defensible would be wailing and nashing their teeth if the Biden administration had proposed this. And that's all you really need to know.....


I don’t believe that is true (aside from a few who just like to play the red/blue side game).

And Dirt is right, the Dems as a whole would not push for this.

Either way, I still think it’s a bad play as a whole. It’s very different for a lot of Alaska as there’s SO much public land an unusable parcel here or there is unlikely to make other large tracts landlocked.

Happy trapping! ScottW

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: Catch22] #8422585
06/19/25 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
So emminent domain to take your house is good but selling it back is bad?

Not really a fair comparison and not how eminent domain is used, they don't sell your house back to you. I'm glad ole Teddy did what he did so I'll say yes, I appreciate what he did and all the reasons behind it. Public lands were set aside for us and should never be sold for any reason including private or political gain.

You know as well as I do that if sold they will be raped and pillaged by the wealthy or good Lord forbid, foreigners. To me, public lands are not a commodity and the US sure ain't that poor to justify selling. It's bad enough that we all experience some sort of loss of access to public lands, think about the precedent it will set to sell off a huge chunk.

If DC follows the Constitution then so be it, nothing to do about it I reckon. I truly can't believe on a outdoor forum people are advocating for the selling of OUR public land. It's a win win for the rich to get richer and a loose loose for all the rest, including the redneck hilljacks like me. I'm sure the federal gov will spend that sale money wisely.

Well said, Catch.

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: Catch22] #8422608
06/19/25 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
So emminent domain to take your house is good but selling it back is bad?

Not really a fair comparison and not how eminent domain is used, they don't sell your house back to you. I'm glad ole Teddy did what he did so I'll say yes, I appreciate what he did and all the reasons behind it. Public lands were set aside for us and should never be sold for any reason including private or political gain.

You know as well as I do that if sold they will be raped and pillaged by the wealthy or good Lord forbid, foreigners. To me, public lands are not a commodity and the US sure ain't that poor to justify selling. It's bad enough that we all experience some sort of loss of access to public lands, think about the precedent it will set to sell off a huge chunk.

If DC follows the Constitution then so be it, nothing to do about it I reckon. I truly can't believe on a outdoor forum people are advocating for the selling of OUR public land. It's a win win for the rich to get richer and a loose loose for all the rest, including the redneck hilljacks like me. I'm sure the federal gov will spend that sale money wisely.

It wasn't meant to be a fair comparison. It was meant to illustrate the absurdity of saying you can't ever sell public land.


I've posted the text of the bill many times elsewhere, someone else can do it here

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8422957
06/20/25 09:58 AM
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Senate's draft budget reconciliation bill doesn’t specify which property would be sold but it requires the U.S. Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management to offload at least 0.5% of the acreage they manage, and as much as 0.75%.

After all the lawsuits at this pace it will be centuries before we run low on public land. This does not even include NPS and USFW land.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8423010
06/20/25 11:52 AM
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Am I reading that right, less than 1%? That doesn't seem so awful.

There is BLM land that has no use to anyone or any critter. Which makes it worthless, so really what is there to gain by selling it?

ol' dad

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8423019
06/20/25 12:16 PM
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There's a nomination process for a piece of land to be sold and it has to meet the requirements for being sold and the purpose must meet the requirements.

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8423025
06/20/25 12:27 PM
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Quote

(2) NOMINATIONS FROM INTERESTED PARTIES.— (A) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 30 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary concerned shall publish a notice soliciting nominations of tracts of Bureau of Land Management land and National Forest System land for disposal by the Secretary concerned under this section from interested parties, including 25 States and units of local governmen

(B) CONSULTATION.—Before selecting for disposal under this section any tract of Bureau of Land Management land or National Forest System land nominated for disposal under subparagraph (A), the Secretary concerned shall consult with— (i) the Governor of the State in which the nominated tract is located regarding the suitability of the area for residential development; (ii) each applicable unit of local government; and (iii) each applicable Indian Tribe. (C) REQUIREMENTS.—A nomination of a tract of Bureau of Land Management land or National Forest System land for disposal submitted by an interested party under subparagraph (A) shall include a description of— (i) the planned use of the tract of Bureau of Land Management land or National Forest System land; and (ii) the extent to which the development of the tract of Bureau of Land Management land or National Forest System 25 land would address local housing needs (including housing supply and affordability) or any associated community needs. (3) PRIORITY CONSIDERATION.—In selecting tracts of Bureau of Land Management land and National Forest System land for disposal under this section, the Secretary concerned shall give priority consideration to the disposal of tracts of Bureau of Land Management land and National Forest System land that, as determined by the Secretary concerned— (A) are nominated by States or units of local governments; (B) are adjacent to existing developed areas; (C) have access to existing infrastructure; (D) are suitable for residential housing; (E) reduce checkerboard land patterns; or (F) are isolated tracts that are inefficient to manage.

e) FAIR MARKET VALUE.—A sale of a tract of covered Federal land under this section shall be for not less than fair market value. (f) RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL.—The Secretary concerned may provide a State or unit of local government in which a tract of covered Federal land is located a right of first refusal to purchase the applicable tract of covered Federal land for community development purposes, subject to subsection (e). (g) LIMITATIONS.— (1) USE.—A tract of covered Federal land disposed of under this section shall be used solely for the development of housing or to address associated community needs as defined by the Secretary concerned. (2) MAXIMUM TOTAL ACREAGE.—The Secretary concerned shall establish a maximum total acreage of tracts of covered Federal land that a person may purchase under this section. (3) RESTRICTIVE COVENANT.— (A) IN GENERAL.—As a condition of the conveyance of a tract of covered Federal land under this section, the conveyance shall include a restrictive covenant requiring that the tract of 25 covered Federal land conveyed be used for a period of not less than 10 years in accordance with the planned use of the tract of covered Federal land— (i) as described pursuant to paragraph (2)(C)(i) of subsection (c), in the case of covered Federal land nominated under that paragraph; or (ii) as identified by the Secretary concerned, in the case of covered Federal land initially identified for disposal by the Secretary concerned. (B) RIGHT OF ENFORCEMENT.—The United States shall retain a right of enforcement against any use inconsistent with a restrictive covenant included in a conveyance of a tract of Federal land under subparagraph (A). (4) FEDERALLY PROTECTED LAND; VALID EXISTING RIGHTS; OUTSIDE ELIGIBLE STATES.—The Secretary concerned may not dispose of any tract of covered Federal land that is— (A) federally protected land; (B) subject to valid existing rights; or (C) not located in an eligible State.
(5) NUMBER OF TRACTS.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in subparagraph (B), a person may not purchase more than 2 tracts of covered Federal land in any 1 sale under this section unless the person owns land surrounding the tracts of covered Federal land to be sold under this section. (B) EXCEPTION.—Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to a State or unit of local government.





Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8423036
06/20/25 12:57 PM
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All ya gotta do is call, the govt has several n types of land for slae.

https://www.usa.gov/real-estate-sales


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8423039
06/20/25 01:06 PM
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https://www.wsj.com/opinion/federal...LW&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

From the article:
"It directs the Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management to sell up to 3.3 million acres from these designated zones. "


Just as a frame of reference....that is about 100,000 acres larger than my trapline


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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8423052
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Land suitable for housing and near a road.

Population growth, your gonna need housing. Here we're losing farm ground at an alarming rate to houses, maybe its that way most places and this is to relieve some of that pressure?

You're also going to need energy for the growth, another thing that good farm ground is going to here. Solar farms going up, and is a major issue for candidates in our local elections as to if they support them or not.

Reality sucks sometimes.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8423398
06/21/25 07:55 AM
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Here's a link to the most recent Fresh Tracks podcast concerning this topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YQ8yvLQXPc

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8423411
06/21/25 09:01 AM
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Hunting fishing no mention of trapping. No skin off my nose.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: hippie] #8423422
06/21/25 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by hippie
Land suitable for housing and near a road.

Population growth, your gonna need housing. Here we're losing farm ground at an alarming rate to houses, maybe its that way most places and this is to relieve some of that pressure?

You're also going to need energy for the growth, another thing that good farm ground is going to here. Solar farms going up, and is a major issue for candidates in our local elections as to if they support them or not.

Reality sucks sometimes.

A forced reality would be more accurate. One thing is solar plots, solar systems, solar mines, not solar "farms", they do not meet the def of a farm. "Solar farm" is a term used to connect them to nature and they don't belong in nature. They belong on top of buildings, vacant city lots that are left vacant, not utilized for housing, parking garages etc. Industrial solar has no business on land zoned for AG or our public lands, solar destroys wildlife and the ground it's on. Also, the Chinese nor any foreign Country should own any of our soil.

As for population, we grew what, 0.98% last year. Figuring the boomers @ 20% and Xer's @20% I don't see a real surge in population unless they keep the borders open. Plus, everywhere I look there's vacant housing, vacant apartment complexes that aren't being utilized. The Gov has set this up and now tell us hey, it's reality. I digress, if this sale goes through it will be the tip of the iceberg. It will sell to "any interested party", who will take the oil, timber, mine it and move on to the next tract for sale cause hey, it's just reality.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by hippie
Land suitable for housing and near a road.

Population growth, your gonna need housing. Here we're losing farm ground at an alarming rate to houses, maybe its that way most places and this is to relieve some of that pressure?

You're also going to need energy for the growth, another thing that good farm ground is going to here. Solar farms going up, and is a major issue for candidates in our local elections as to if they support them or not.

Reality sucks sometimes.

A forced reality would be more accurate. One thing is solar plots, solar systems, solar mines, not solar "farms", they do not meet the def of a farm. "Solar farm" is a term used to connect them to nature and they don't belong in nature. They belong on top of buildings, vacant city lots that are left vacant, not utilized for housing, parking garages etc. Industrial solar has no business on land zoned for AG or our public lands, solar destroys wildlife and the ground it's on. Also, the Chinese nor any foreign Country should own any of our soil.

As for population, we grew what, 0.98% last year. Figuring the boomers @ 20% and Xer's @20% I don't see a real surge in population unless they keep the borders open. Plus, everywhere I look there's vacant housing, vacant apartment complexes that aren't being utilized. The Gov has set this up and now tell us hey, it's reality. I digress, if this sale goes through it will be the tip of the iceberg. It will sell to "any interested party", who will take the oil, timber, mine it and move on to the next tract for sale cause hey, it's just reality.




You're not counting the 25 million illegals left in the last couple years which equals about 8% growth right there. Go west once, every stink'n hotel we stopped at wad filled up with them.

I call them solar farms because that's where they're going here in the country, and again if you'd take a trip west, you see huge ones.


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I get that hippie! I'd rather they gather up the illegals and ship'em back and keep our public lands. I'd rather see the gov do something about all the vacant properties in the cities to help with housing and slap panels on'em if they want. I'd rather see a build up in the current coal mines we have. I'm not in favor of the gov liquidating our land to fund their personal agendas.

IMO, in 50 years the US won't be the US anymore. The Alpha gen are for the most part girly girls and will adopt the all white flag. I would like to keep as much freedom as possible, for as long as possible and the selling of our public hunting, trapping, and fishing is a loss of freedom.


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