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Re: Cain and Abel [Re: fossil2] #8428652
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Originally Posted by fossil2
another theory is that God hated cain from the start, as he wasnt of His creation. cain and abel were half brothers of the same mother. she conceived with the devil first, then with adam a short time later. the boys were born in the order in which they were conceived. in the lineage of adam, abel isnt listed as he never procreated, but neither is cain listed, though he DID procreate. just another "something to think about".

Say what? Where does it say Eve did it with lucifer? That's far out there.


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Enjoying all the comments,
I believe it is an issue of the heart.
Hears a little food for thought.
Go back to the garden and the serpent. There serpent said to Eve that if you eat of this fruit then you can become as God's.
As far as the prophetic meaning of the story of Cain and Abel.
I believe it is a foreshadow of Israel and the completed work of Jesus.
I see Cain as those that serve worldly things such as apostate Israel did.
Able being faithful. Such as the remnant of Israel, the prophets of God and those that come to faith in Christ
Just like God told Abraham. ALL the nations of the Earth shall be blessed through you.
It's a faithful statement.
Apostate Israel put Jesus on the cross. The first born of son of God Israel and the only begotten son.
But who really put the seed of the woman on the cross. And who crushed the offender?
Food for thought.

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Originally Posted by wetdog
Where did Cain find a wife if Adam and Eve were the only humans?


Do you have a verse that says they were the only humans?

He found his wife in the land of Nod.


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Originally Posted by Savell
… the garden of Arkansas

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Originally Posted by fossil2
another theory is that God hated cain from the start, as he wasnt of His creation. cain and abel were half brothers of the same mother. she conceived with the devil first, then with adam a short time later. the boys were born in the order in which they were conceived. in the lineage of adam, abel isnt listed as he never procreated, but neither is cain listed, though he DID procreate. just another "something to think about".

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cane,


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in order as written in the bible, God created men and women on the 6th day, and rested on the 7th. this ends genesis one. begin chapter two and god creates adam some time later, and eve after that. cains wife wouldve been one of the 6th day creation.

theory says that eve partook of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, which was allowing herself to be seduced by the serpent, who told her it would make her God-like. this was the first sin, and she then seduced adam next. conceived both times. (no apple involved)

if cain was of adams lineage, why isnt he listed in the lineage of adam? lots of questions.

yes adam knew his wife and she bore cain. according to this theory, she was already pregnant before adam knew her, and next she bore abel, the true son of adam. like i said, lots of questions we'll never know the answer to.

adam and eve were created by God, by His hand. it doesnt specify how the 6th day creation were made. i believe He created each race, and put each where they would thrive. light/dark skin, light/dark eyes, bone structure, etc.

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Originally Posted by fossil2
in order as written in the bible, God created men and women on the 6th day, and rested on the 7th. this ends genesis one. begin chapter two and god creates adam some time later, and eve after that. cains wife wouldve been one of the 6th day creation.

theory says that eve partook of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, which was allowing herself to be seduced by the serpent, who told her it would make her God-like. this was the first sin, and she then seduced adam next. conceived both times. (no apple involved)

if cain was of adams lineage, why isnt he listed in the lineage of adam? lots of questions.

yes adam knew his wife and she bore cain. according to this theory, she was already pregnant before adam knew her, and next she bore abel, the true son of adam. like i said, lots of questions we'll never know the answer to.

adam and eve were created by God, by His hand. it doesnt specify how the 6th day creation were made. i believe He created each race, and put each where they would thrive. light/dark skin, light/dark eyes, bone structure, etc.

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The Genealogy from Adam to Abraham was only given through the lineage leading to Jesus. Abel was not listed because he never had children I would assume. Seth is named as the first of the Genealogy leading to Christ through Adam. He is also mentioned to be the first to call upon the name of the Lord.

Genesis 2 don't repeat the order of creation, this has already been established. It states the fact that God created the creatures out of the earth. But the time line has already been established in Genesis 1.
You can interpret it as a new creation if you'd like. But the text doesn't give a time reference in 2.
So it's speculation. It is an interesting concept. I do appreciate your input and thoughts.


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Originally Posted by Savell
… the garden of Arkansas

Dang it man!! Hot coffee does not feel good coming out of both nostrils!!


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… ought to be drinking something colder lol


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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
Originally Posted by fossil2
in order as written in the bible, God created men and women on the 6th day, and rested on the 7th. this ends genesis one. begin chapter two and god creates adam some time later, and eve after that. cains wife wouldve been one of the 6th day creation.

theory says that eve partook of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, which was allowing herself to be seduced by the serpent, who told her it would make her God-like. this was the first sin, and she then seduced adam next. conceived both times. (no apple involved)

if cain was of adams lineage, why isnt he listed in the lineage of adam? lots of questions.

yes adam knew his wife and she bore cain. according to this theory, she was already pregnant before adam knew her, and next she bore abel, the true son of adam. like i said, lots of questions we'll never know the answer to.

adam and eve were created by God, by His hand. it doesnt specify how the 6th day creation were made. i believe He created each race, and put each where they would thrive. light/dark skin, light/dark eyes, bone structure, etc.

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The Genealogy from Adam to Abraham was only given through the lineage leading to Jesus. Abel was not listed because he never had children I would assume. Seth is named as the first of the Genealogy leading to Christ through Adam. He is also mentioned to be the first to call upon the name of the Lord.

Genesis 2 don't repeat the order of creation, this has already been established. It states the fact that God created the creatures out of the earth. But the time line has already been established in Genesis 1.
You can interpret it as a new creation if you'd like. But the text doesn't give a time reference in 2.
So it's speculation. It is an interesting concept. I do appreciate your input and thoughts.



This is worth further discussion amongst believers as I think it is very important as it leads to the fall of Man and the Genesis 3 curse which is what Fossil 2 is referring to.

I was raised to think that Eve was the wrong one and took the fruit and then later gave it to her husband who was innocent of the act.

But that is not what the Bible says. Adam was complicit in the act as he was with her.

Holy Bible: NKJV

Genesis 3:6 - So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

The Septuagint

Genesis 3:7 - And the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes to look upon and beautiful to contemplate, and having taken of its fruit she ate, and she gave to her husband also with her, and they ate.

Jasher 1:10 - And the serpent enticed and persuaded the woman to eat from the tree of knowledge, and the woman hearkened to the voice of the serpent, and she transgressed the word of God, and took from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and she ate, and she took from it and gave also to her husband and he ate.

These versus lead directly to to 3:15 and the two seeds. Lots of people can dance around the topic or not mention it all together, but the Bible clearly says two seeds. Lots of speculation and talk about what that means, but I take the Bible very literally; particularly when three versions line up.

These verses are also important to me because so far it is the only contradiction in the Bible I have found that God has not given me an answer for. The contradiction is in Timothy I 2:13-15.
It is why I take all the Pauline Epistles with a grain of salt. As a Christian, I do sometimes wonder if he was a false teacher sent by the serpent to deceive.


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Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.
Cain act was works of his hand Abel sarafice was a act of faith


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How does the fruit become Eve fornicating with a snake? If that were the case, it would say Eve "knew" the serpent.


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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And if Paul was a false teacher, what is the gospel? Because all the clearest explanations of the gospel were in his writings.


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Originally Posted by PAskinner
How does the fruit become Eve fornicating with a snake? If that were the case, it would say Eve "knew" the serpent.


Lots of romance novels and a good imagination, lol.

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I do sometimes wonder if he was a false teachers sent by the serpent to deceive.

Chancey. Hear is a list of some miracles of Paul.
Acts 3: 1-11. 14:8-10. 13:9-11. 16: 16-18 & 25-27 19:11-12. 20:9-9. 28:3-6and 28:8&9.
Remember the pharisees acused Jesus's miracles as being the works of saton.

I don't believe the verses in 1 Timothy that you spoke of are not a contradiction. Adam left his father and mother.
He become one with Eve. Just like in Ephesians Paul says husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church.
I believe Adam was willing to lose his life for Eve.


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Originally Posted by red mt
Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.
Cain act was works of his hand Abel sarafice was a act of faith

The shedding of blood ended when Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice by shedding His blood on the cross to bring about the forgiveness of sin. I believe that was the main reason He came.


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So this serpent seed doctrine is a racial thing? As in, some races are inherently evil? I would hope people here know the scripture better than that.


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How does the fruit become Eve fornicating with a snake? If that were the case, it would say Eve "knew" the serpent.


Lots of romance novels and a good imagination, lol.


Kinda gives new meaning to "snake handling ".!


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satan was known as the great deceiver. he wouldve appeared to eve as a man, not a snake. this theory explains Gods disdain for cain, and why he isnt mentioned in adams lineage. the theory of the 6th day creation explains the existence of civilization on all continents at the same time, explains the source of the different races, explains where cains wife came from, etc. as i said above, this is another theory.

fruit is a term that can refer to most anything. the fruit of my long lines were mink, not apples. the fruits of my shop work is metal products.

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Originally Posted by fossil2
satan was known as the great deceiver. he wouldve appeared to eve as a man, not a snake. this theory explains Gods disdain for cain, and why he isnt mentioned in adams lineage. the theory of the 6th day creation explains the existence of civilization on all continents at the same time, explains the source of the different races, explains where cains wife came from, etc. as i said above, this is another theory.

fruit is a term that can refer to most anything. the fruit of my long lines were mink, not apples. the fruits of my shop work is metal products.

Too bad the theory is nothing like what is actually written.
Which said the fruit was on a tree in the garden, not that the snake was actually a man, and the tree was, well, nothing, and the fruit was sexual....If something is symbolic, it makes a lot more sense that the "seed" spoken of was spiritual, instead of going way out of context and making the whole garden, and thier actions an allegory for something else. The seed of the woman is Jesus and the seed of the snake is all anti Christ people.


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