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Re: Cain and Abel [Re: wetdog] #8428661
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Originally Posted by wetdog
Where did Cain find a wife if Adam and Eve were the only humans?


Do you have a verse that says they were the only humans?

He found his wife in the land of Nod.


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Originally Posted by Savell
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Originally Posted by fossil2
another theory is that God hated cain from the start, as he wasnt of His creation. cain and abel were half brothers of the same mother. she conceived with the devil first, then with adam a short time later. the boys were born in the order in which they were conceived. in the lineage of adam, abel isnt listed as he never procreated, but neither is cain listed, though he DID procreate. just another "something to think about".

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cane,


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in order as written in the bible, God created men and women on the 6th day, and rested on the 7th. this ends genesis one. begin chapter two and god creates adam some time later, and eve after that. cains wife wouldve been one of the 6th day creation.

theory says that eve partook of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, which was allowing herself to be seduced by the serpent, who told her it would make her God-like. this was the first sin, and she then seduced adam next. conceived both times. (no apple involved)

if cain was of adams lineage, why isnt he listed in the lineage of adam? lots of questions.

yes adam knew his wife and she bore cain. according to this theory, she was already pregnant before adam knew her, and next she bore abel, the true son of adam. like i said, lots of questions we'll never know the answer to.

adam and eve were created by God, by His hand. it doesnt specify how the 6th day creation were made. i believe He created each race, and put each where they would thrive. light/dark skin, light/dark eyes, bone structure, etc.

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Originally Posted by fossil2
in order as written in the bible, God created men and women on the 6th day, and rested on the 7th. this ends genesis one. begin chapter two and god creates adam some time later, and eve after that. cains wife wouldve been one of the 6th day creation.

theory says that eve partook of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, which was allowing herself to be seduced by the serpent, who told her it would make her God-like. this was the first sin, and she then seduced adam next. conceived both times. (no apple involved)

if cain was of adams lineage, why isnt he listed in the lineage of adam? lots of questions.

yes adam knew his wife and she bore cain. according to this theory, she was already pregnant before adam knew her, and next she bore abel, the true son of adam. like i said, lots of questions we'll never know the answer to.

adam and eve were created by God, by His hand. it doesnt specify how the 6th day creation were made. i believe He created each race, and put each where they would thrive. light/dark skin, light/dark eyes, bone structure, etc.

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The Genealogy from Adam to Abraham was only given through the lineage leading to Jesus. Abel was not listed because he never had children I would assume. Seth is named as the first of the Genealogy leading to Christ through Adam. He is also mentioned to be the first to call upon the name of the Lord.

Genesis 2 don't repeat the order of creation, this has already been established. It states the fact that God created the creatures out of the earth. But the time line has already been established in Genesis 1.
You can interpret it as a new creation if you'd like. But the text doesn't give a time reference in 2.
So it's speculation. It is an interesting concept. I do appreciate your input and thoughts.


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Originally Posted by Savell
the garden of Arkansas

Dang it man!! Hot coffee does not feel good coming out of both nostrils!!


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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
Originally Posted by fossil2
in order as written in the bible, God created men and women on the 6th day, and rested on the 7th. this ends genesis one. begin chapter two and god creates adam some time later, and eve after that. cains wife wouldve been one of the 6th day creation.

theory says that eve partook of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, which was allowing herself to be seduced by the serpent, who told her it would make her God-like. this was the first sin, and she then seduced adam next. conceived both times. (no apple involved)

if cain was of adams lineage, why isnt he listed in the lineage of adam? lots of questions.

yes adam knew his wife and she bore cain. according to this theory, she was already pregnant before adam knew her, and next she bore abel, the true son of adam. like i said, lots of questions we'll never know the answer to.

adam and eve were created by God, by His hand. it doesnt specify how the 6th day creation were made. i believe He created each race, and put each where they would thrive. light/dark skin, light/dark eyes, bone structure, etc.

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The Genealogy from Adam to Abraham was only given through the lineage leading to Jesus. Abel was not listed because he never had children I would assume. Seth is named as the first of the Genealogy leading to Christ through Adam. He is also mentioned to be the first to call upon the name of the Lord.

Genesis 2 don't repeat the order of creation, this has already been established. It states the fact that God created the creatures out of the earth. But the time line has already been established in Genesis 1.
You can interpret it as a new creation if you'd like. But the text doesn't give a time reference in 2.
So it's speculation. It is an interesting concept. I do appreciate your input and thoughts.



This is worth further discussion amongst believers as I think it is very important as it leads to the fall of Man and the Genesis 3 curse which is what Fossil 2 is referring to.

I was raised to think that Eve was the wrong one and took the fruit and then later gave it to her husband who was innocent of the act.

But that is not what the Bible says. Adam was complicit in the act as he was with her.

Holy Bible: NKJV

Genesis 3:6 - So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

The Septuagint

Genesis 3:7 - And the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes to look upon and beautiful to contemplate, and having taken of its fruit she ate, and she gave to her husband also with her, and they ate.

Jasher 1:10 - And the serpent enticed and persuaded the woman to eat from the tree of knowledge, and the woman hearkened to the voice of the serpent, and she transgressed the word of God, and took from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and she ate, and she took from it and gave also to her husband and he ate.

These versus lead directly to to 3:15 and the two seeds. Lots of people can dance around the topic or not mention it all together, but the Bible clearly says two seeds. Lots of speculation and talk about what that means, but I take the Bible very literally; particularly when three versions line up.

These verses are also important to me because so far it is the only contradiction in the Bible I have found that God has not given me an answer for. The contradiction is in Timothy I 2:13-15.
It is why I take all the Pauline Epistles with a grain of salt. As a Christian, I do sometimes wonder if he was a false teacher sent by the serpent to deceive.


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Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.
Cain act was works of his hand Abel sarafice was a act of faith


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How does the fruit become Eve fornicating with a snake? If that were the case, it would say Eve "knew" the serpent.


Right now Im having amnesia and dj vu at the same time. I think Ive forgotten this before.
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And if Paul was a false teacher, what is the gospel? Because all the clearest explanations of the gospel were in his writings.


Right now Im having amnesia and dj vu at the same time. I think Ive forgotten this before.
Re: Cain and Abel [Re: PAskinner] #8428905
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
How does the fruit become Eve fornicating with a snake? If that were the case, it would say Eve "knew" the serpent.


Lots of romance novels and a good imagination, lol.

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I do sometimes wonder if he was a false teachers sent by the serpent to deceive.

Chancey. Hear is a list of some miracles of Paul.
Acts 3: 1-11. 14:8-10. 13:9-11. 16: 16-18 & 25-27 19:11-12. 20:9-9. 28:3-6and 28:8&9.
Remember the pharisees acused Jesus's miracles as being the works of saton.

I don't believe the verses in 1 Timothy that you spoke of are not a contradiction. Adam left his father and mother.
He become one with Eve. Just like in Ephesians Paul says husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church.
I believe Adam was willing to lose his life for Eve.


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Originally Posted by red mt
Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.
Cain act was works of his hand Abel sarafice was a act of faith

The shedding of blood ended when Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice by shedding His blood on the cross to bring about the forgiveness of sin. I believe that was the main reason He came.


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So this serpent seed doctrine is a racial thing? As in, some races are inherently evil? I would hope people here know the scripture better than that.


Right now Im having amnesia and dj vu at the same time. I think Ive forgotten this before.
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
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How does the fruit become Eve fornicating with a snake? If that were the case, it would say Eve "knew" the serpent.


Lots of romance novels and a good imagination, lol.


Kinda gives new meaning to "snake handling ".!


Right now Im having amnesia and dj vu at the same time. I think Ive forgotten this before.
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satan was known as the great deceiver. he wouldve appeared to eve as a man, not a snake. this theory explains Gods disdain for cain, and why he isnt mentioned in adams lineage. the theory of the 6th day creation explains the existence of civilization on all continents at the same time, explains the source of the different races, explains where cains wife came from, etc. as i said above, this is another theory.

fruit is a term that can refer to most anything. the fruit of my long lines were mink, not apples. the fruits of my shop work is metal products.

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Originally Posted by fossil2
satan was known as the great deceiver. he wouldve appeared to eve as a man, not a snake. this theory explains Gods disdain for cain, and why he isnt mentioned in adams lineage. the theory of the 6th day creation explains the existence of civilization on all continents at the same time, explains the source of the different races, explains where cains wife came from, etc. as i said above, this is another theory.

fruit is a term that can refer to most anything. the fruit of my long lines were mink, not apples. the fruits of my shop work is metal products.

Too bad the theory is nothing like what is actually written.
Which said the fruit was on a tree in the garden, not that the snake was actually a man, and the tree was, well, nothing, and the fruit was sexual....If something is symbolic, it makes a lot more sense that the "seed" spoken of was spiritual, instead of going way out of context and making the whole garden, and thier actions an allegory for something else. The seed of the woman is Jesus and the seed of the snake is all anti Christ people.


Right now Im having amnesia and dj vu at the same time. I think Ive forgotten this before.
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Originally Posted by fossil2
satan was known as the great deceiver. he wouldve appeared to eve as a man, not a snake. this theory explains Gods disdain for cain, and why he isnt mentioned in adams lineage. the theory of the 6th day creation explains the existence of civilization on all continents at the same time, explains the source of the different races, explains where cains wife came from, etc. as i said above, this is another theory.

fruit is a term that can refer to most anything. the fruit of my long lines were mink, not apples. the fruits of my shop work is metal products.

He would have appeared as a man? Distain for cain? The 6th day creation theory explains the existence of civilizations (on all continents at the same time ? ETC. Is there any scripture to back any of this other theory.
It seems like there's alot of reading between the lines with vivid imagination.

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Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 give some good points of reference IMO on Genesis 3.

I don't know that much of this is something that can be backed by scripture specifically; as I see it as rather a translation thing. The Hebrew Word for Nachash can be a noun, a verb, and an adjective. The root word meaning of Nachash I believe is the issue at hand. I am not saying this is sound doctrine, but I think it is certainly worth considering.



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Gen 4

1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

9 And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.

13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.

19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.

21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.

22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

Some scholars think Naamah was Noah's wife. That would mean we all are related thru Grandma Noah and thus to Cain too.

Of course in those days many didn't think the women had any thing to do with the reproduction of man other than to act as a incubator for mans seed. They couldn't comprehend that a child had traits of both parents.

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