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Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8431925
07/06/25 11:19 PM
07/06/25 11:19 PM
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ohio
Neither am I!

Just wonder how they knew!


We have met the enemy and the enemy is us!
Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8431927
07/06/25 11:22 PM
07/06/25 11:22 PM
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Not sure, guess we just weren’t in the loop or something


Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!

Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8431929
07/06/25 11:26 PM
07/06/25 11:26 PM
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Neighbors bragged about it, is how I found out!


We have met the enemy and the enemy is us!
Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8431931
07/06/25 11:27 PM
07/06/25 11:27 PM
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East of the Mason-Dixon Line
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Are they poor or something? Maybe some special handout like the “stimulus” they sent out.

I didn’t get that memo either but my taxes went up.


Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!

Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8431935
07/07/25 12:00 AM
07/07/25 12:00 AM
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I lived and worked in the Kerrville/Bandera area for 15 years. My oldmans' home place is Utopia, where we spent every summer swimming in the freezing cold chrystal clear creeks and Sabinal River. The hills are all limestone rock and since settlement in the 1850's, settlers have tried hard to knock a living out of these hills where only small portions of the valleys are friable and can continuously grow a crop. My family and many in the area were Irish from east Kentuck/Tennessee area. They understood limestone hills, caves, clear creeks, etc. but the difference was the amount of annual rainfall average. Many of the hills had fertile soil, but it is shallow and they were farmed out soon. The rest of it was used for rangeland. Barbwire was strung and cattle were grazed in an area that naturally had low fertility and little predictable rainfall. Then my ancestors went to sheep and goats cause they could tolerate the climate better and also eat brush and short grasses after the good grasses were grazed out. After the long rooted grasses were gone on the hills, then cedar (Ashe Juniper) took over cause even goats won't eat that unless they are starving. Couple that with the suppression of fire, then what was created was cedar forests and rocks all over hills and landscape My great grandfather was a farrier, and his side job was sheep shearing, he would travel the areas of the hill country to shear sheep. This was the age of livestock dipping vats as well.

These lands, up until the 1990's were not all that productive and everything went as normal until the late 90's. There was good hunting, but that was it.

Old timers started having to sell out cause their kiddos didn't want to make a living off cattle, sheep, and drought. They were land rich and money poor, and many of these big places were bought by outsiders because of the beauty of the land. They did not need the land to pay for itself. Since then, the Hill Country of Texas has been absolutely raped. Ranches divided and subdivided, and people and houses everywhere. Wells being drilled, and rainwater runnoff so bad from impervious cover that many of the spring fed rivers in the area no longer even flow year long.

Tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people more now live in the area where the flooding occured. More people, means more rooftops, more driveways, and more concrete. Many of which are on hillslopes. Recreation is a big deal now and folks don't have to make money off cattle and sheep anymore. They can make money merely off access to beautiful land and providing a place to camp.

My point is, that this area has always flooded. The Hill Country is known for flash floods; the issue is that 50 years ago, it would affect some farmers and ranchers and screw up some hay and maybe lose some livestock; now is a whole other situation.


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Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8432019
07/07/25 08:51 AM
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Excellent summary Chancey.


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Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: Chancey] #8432027
07/07/25 09:12 AM
07/07/25 09:12 AM
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Too many people, the answer to every question that starts with “what is wrong with this scenario”.


Originally Posted by Chancey
I lived and worked in the Kerrville/Bandera area for 15 years. My oldmans' home place is Utopia, where we spent every summer swimming in the freezing cold chrystal clear creeks and Sabinal River. The hills are all limestone rock and since settlement in the 1850's, settlers have tried hard to knock a living out of these hills where only small portions of the valleys are friable and can continuously grow a crop. My family and many in the area were Irish from east Kentuck/Tennessee area. They understood limestone hills, caves, clear creeks, etc. but the difference was the amount of annual rainfall average. Many of the hills had fertile soil, but it is shallow and they were farmed out soon. The rest of it was used for rangeland. Barbwire was strung and cattle were grazed in an area that naturally had low fertility and little predictable rainfall. Then my ancestors went to sheep and goats cause they could tolerate the climate better and also eat brush and short grasses after the good grasses were grazed out. After the long rooted grasses were gone on the hills, then cedar (Ashe Juniper) took over cause even goats won't eat that unless they are starving. Couple that with the suppression of fire, then what was created was cedar forests and rocks all over hills and landscape My great grandfather was a farrier, and his side job was sheep shearing, he would travel the areas of the hill country to shear sheep. This was the age of livestock dipping vats as well.

These lands, up until the 1990's were not all that productive and everything went as normal until the late 90's. There was good hunting, but that was it.

Old timers started having to sell out cause their kiddos didn't want to make a living off cattle, sheep, and drought. They were land rich and money poor, and many of these big places were bought by outsiders because of the beauty of the land. They did not need the land to pay for itself. Since then, the Hill Country of Texas has been absolutely raped. Ranches divided and subdivided, and people and houses everywhere. Wells being drilled, and rainwater runnoff so bad from impervious cover that many of the spring fed rivers in the area no longer even flow year long.

Tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people more now live in the area where the flooding occured. More people, means more rooftops, more driveways, and more concrete. Many of which are on hillslopes. Recreation is a big deal now and folks don't have to make money off cattle and sheep anymore. They can make money merely off access to beautiful land and providing a place to camp.

My point is, that this area has always flooded. The Hill Country is known for flash floods; the issue is that 50 years ago, it would affect some farmers and ranchers and screw up some hay and maybe lose some livestock; now is a whole other situation.

Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8432039
07/07/25 09:45 AM
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Chancey summed it up right. I might add that the timing of the storm and the July holiday probably only added to the calamity.

Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8432050
07/07/25 10:43 AM
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Conspiracy nuts making fun of other conspiracy nuts . frown


Who is John Galt?
Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8432071
07/07/25 11:44 AM
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look this up find out and find out for yoursellf.
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Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8432073
07/07/25 11:47 AM
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I wish they could unseed my clouds?


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Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: Dirt] #8432076
07/07/25 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Conspiracy nuts making fun of other conspiracy nuts . frown


You can sure tell when a full moon is close, lol.


Wonder why were seeding clouds in Mexico where this storm came from?


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: hippie] #8432665
07/08/25 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by hippie
Originally Posted by Dirt
Conspiracy nuts making fun of other conspiracy nuts . frown


You can sure tell when a full moon is close, lol.


Wonder why were seeding clouds in Mexico where this storm came from?


"NBC News reported that Augustus Doricko, the CEO of Rainmaker, a weather modification company, said that planes had released silver iodide in the atmosphere in Texas two days prior to the fatal floods that have claimed over 100 lives."

Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8432684
07/08/25 03:07 PM
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Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8432712
07/08/25 04:36 PM
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Rainmaker confirmed it flew a 20-minute cloud seeding mission on July 2 over Karnes County (150 miles away), located southeast of the flood zone. The operation targeted two clouds that reportedly dissipated later that afternoon. No further flights were conducted before the floods began.

Doricko said Rainmaker suspended all operations the same day, citing compliance with Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation (TDLR) safety criteria.

Still, the timing has fueled rampant speculation online. Critics want to know: could the July 2 flight — however brief or distant — have influenced the deadly storm system that followed?

Veteran Houston meteorologist Travis Herzog weighed in this week, calling the theory scientifically unfounded.

“Cloud seeding cannot create a storm of this magnitude or size. In fact, cloud seeding cannot even create a single cloud,” Herzog said. “All it can do is take an existing cloud and enhance the rainfall by up to 20% — and even that is on the high end.”

He compared the theory to blowing out a candle and assuming one could extinguish a wildfire. “It is a matter of scale,” he said.

Herzog, who grew up near the Texas Hill Country and studied meteorology at Texas A&M, emphasized that catastrophic flash floods are not new to the region, referencing similar disasters in 1987, 2002, and 2015. He attributed the July 4 event to a stalled mesoscale convective vortex fueled by remnant tropical moisture, not cloud seeding.

“We want to make sense of this tragedy,” Herzog wrote. “And we never want to see it happen again.”

The flood dumped more than 18 inches of rain in some areas, triggering a surge on the Guadalupe River that peaked at 34.29 feet, inundating homes, camps, and low-water crossings.

Rainmaker has released flight logs and meteorological analysis showing no operations after July 2. The company says it welcomes scrutiny and followed all state guidelines, noting it stood down before the National Weather Service issued any watches or warnings.

Now, Doricko says he’s ready to address critics directly.

Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8432718
07/08/25 04:55 PM
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what about the other 5 or 6 weather modification companies that operated in texas prior to the flood?

Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8432719
07/08/25 04:59 PM
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Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8432764
07/08/25 06:33 PM
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We got an unexpected 2.50 of rain last night. I'd like to send a donation to whoever seeded my cloud.


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Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8432765
07/08/25 06:36 PM
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From what I've read, warnings were sent out BUT........11 counselors were required to forfeit their cellphones so they could concentrate on the kids. And the most vulnerable 1 mile section has zero cellphone reception. And there were some people trying to get out but not enough road to go around for all wanting out. A magnitude of shortcomings turned to tragedy.


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Re: Flooding in Texas a manmade mistake? [Re: foxkidd44] #8432805
07/08/25 07:45 PM
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