… they’re the chosen ones right … so do they automatically get a seat at the table even though they deny Christ?

… Epstein might be doing alright about now

… your welcome ADC

I'm beginning to see signs Savell is a troublemaker here.

… just curious is all

I was just checking the internet and the consensus is nope. Only through Jesus.

I assume religious jews figure Christinas won't make it in because they're following a false prophet.

Only way is by believing that Jesus is the Son of God and accepting Him as your Lord & Savior.

It appears that many Jewish folks do not.

… so God changed his mind along the line somewhere I guess

The Holy Spirit is here to guide and help man, but that's not always gonna be.

'peeler, who is the false prophet that the Christians are following?

no

The jews were God's chosen people. But they rejected their messiah.

Hebrews 8:7-13


Under the old testament ("first covenant" in this passage), God's chosen people were born into their relationship with God, even though they did not know him at birth. They were raised being told "Know the Lord" because they became God's chosen people at birth, before they knew Him.

That situation is over now. From v13, the new covenant (a.k.a. new testament / the gospel) replaced it. The old covenant relationship is gone now.

Now, people become Christians when they are baptized into their relationship with God. No one is in this relationship with God who doesn't already know Him, which is why v11 says "None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me".

The book of Hebrews is directed to the Hebrew (Jewish) people and the book can be summarized as: Jesus is your messiah, you're not getting another one. Going forward, He's your opportunity for salvation.

I may be totally wrong, but I believe things changed when Christ took his last breath. At that moment the veil of the Temple ripped from top to bottom signifying there was a new way to ascend to heaven. In the temple at Jerusalem there was a large veil that separated the main area from the Holy of Holies. Only purified Jewish priests were allowed back there. The Jews would also sacrifice animals by the thousands in an attempt to appease God for redemption of their sins. The temple and the way the Jews were starting to run things were an abomination to God. Unclean and unworthy animals were being sold for sacrifice. Corruption, theivery, and hypocrisy were running rampant in the upper eschilons of the Jewish faith system. There needed to be a change.

When Jesus drew his last breath when all the weight of the sin of the world was placed on his shoulders, that veil ripped. There is now a new way, different from the ways of the Jews of the old testament. This new way was that God sacrificed his son for us, there was no longer a need to sacrifice animals and to try and please God by the old ways of the Jews. The new way to get to heaven was now to accept God's gift of his sacrifical son and to believe in him. Jesus was a threat to the Jews who held the power, as through him there was no longer going to be a need for sacrifice, offerings, etc as a way to get to heaven and with that their control over the people was going to be challenged.

Sorry if this response is hard to follow and a little scattered.

Let me be sure I get this right. Jews WERE gods chosen but now they are gods rejected?

Jews have been kicked out of most countries at some time or another and they were booted as God's chosen people, why does no one want the Jews?

Had another thought. If they are gods rejected why are we backing Israel's play?

Jewish people are no more rejected by God than anyone else that doesn't believe in Jesus.

Careful Savell. You may get accused a Jew hater.

Donner, historically its because they always seem to form a country within a country and follow their own rules and not the country's they reside in which leads to division. They seem to be incapable of assimilation within a country; at least that seems the case for the Ashkenazi Jews; not so much the Sephardic Jews (there is a big difference)....same as today, even though they have their own country to go to since 1948.

Danny, I think we are backing Israel's play because AIPAC owns most of our politicians; not only that, but also because many of our politicians are compromised. All lobbyists HAVE to GO. We also NEED term limits. America and the Constitution of the USA FIRST.

The Jews are gods chosen people, and gentiles that accept Christ have been grafted into that vine.

That being said, God often punished the Jews for turning their backs on him (making them wander in the desert for 40 days, making them lose battles, etc). He Jews currently have their backs turned towards God by rejecting Christ. Some might say that the current problems they are having in the middle east (being hated and constantly attacked by their enemies) are Gods punishment on them for their rejection of Christ.

Many denominations believe in the premillennial doctrine. This comes from (in my opinion, a misinterpretation of) the book of Revelation—specifically, the belief that when Jesus returns, He will reign on earth as King for 1,000 years. They also believe that we must be allied with Israel at this time, so they unconditionally support Israel.

I believe this stems from a misinterpretation of what Revelation says. The modern nation of Israel is a recent political creation; it is not the Israel spoken of in Scripture. Furthermore, even if they were correct, it's foolish to think God needs our help to fulfill His prophecies. Abraham thought that once (Genesis 16), and God didn’t make use of his assistance.

LOL As to how much you can stir up!

This post is gonna make the Zionist's heads on here explode.

Some people mix up the Jewish people with the country of Israel. It's okay to criticize any country. (Not America though. The USA rocks).

Yes indeed, but how does the metaphor end?

Romans 11


many Jews became Christians, but those who didn't believe where "broken off" as the Gentile Christians were grafted in.

The vast majority of the worlds population, around 70% of all people, aren't Christian. It seems odd to me that people, who most people disagree with, are so convinced they are right and that God, who clearly didn't put in the effort to get his message to most people, will be vindictive because of his failure.

Keith

Based on how it is gonna be.....there may be only 144,000 people that make it to heaven.

And those will be JWs.

We got back from the river yesterday and one of the JW flyers was on our doorway over a half mile off the pavement. They had to go through two cattle guards and a low water crossing. Wife told me....Get a gate on the entrance now! Good for me, cause I been needing to use the money she wants for landscaping on building an entrance with a gate. lol

Have a few questions for you sval
Jesus called the pharisees vipers. He said there father was the devil,
He told peaple that he was preaching to that if you righteousness is not greater than that of the pharisees then you shall not enter the kingdom. They were jews. So no not ALL JEWS will go to heaven.
There's actually no verse In the bible that says all jews will be saved.

The so called "jews" in the time of Jesus' teachings that followed his Word and believed in what He said became what we now call Christians.

I must have missed the term " Jehovah Witness" in the book of Revelations.

Yes. The ones who recognized and exepted Jesus as Messiah, Became disciples of Jesus.
This is a faithful statement. Abraham was by faith as Jacob was Called Israel by faith.
Now Jesus is the true vine and he is also the seed of Abraham. And all that partake in him are the chosen.
Therefore all of Israel will be saved. Israel is the faithful chosen of the seed of Abraham. Which is Christ.
And those who are his sheep.

Liked yours response Massac.

What a great thread.

LOL

Lol

Dont believe it is God's failure. Most have heard the gospel and have rejected it. God gave us free will. Parents can teach their kids right from wrong but its up to the kids to decide what they chose to do.

Here's a different way to look at the question Savell posted, God's chosen people for what? Maybe chosen to bring his word to the people? I do believe the Bible states in the end times many Jews well come to the saving grace of Jesus. But the Bible is clear their is only one way to heaven and if there was other ways it would make no sense for Jesus to go through what he did.

Keith,
Your correct about the few that are one the right path.

Yes sir,
Many Jews have come to Jesus, and many Muslims, Hindus, agnostics, and many of every peaple have.
Unfortunately many many more will not. Like you said God gave us freewill.

OP, how do you deduce your proposition?
Jesus himself had plenty to say to his fellow Jews that directly implied that they would not see eternal life.

While this is my take an offal lot of people and profits lived before Jesus was born must suck to be them.

Then again if they were living and walking in faith and believe he was comming then that is belief So should be good to go.

sure looks like the jews had some Devine intervention When attacked right after Israel being created. Really over came amazing odds almost like a modern day bible story.

I don't have any answers but it sure looks like thay are and have been doing a lot behind the seeds that is not good for our country.

I find it interesting that countries are formed around religion. Middle east different brands of Islam, England has the church of England, Spain has Catholicism, tribes in the Amazon all have a different religion, Indians here in the U.S. all had/have different faiths. Even the U.S. is the result of religious splintering.

Wars are still being fought over it.

The preponderance of religious folks follow the tenants of the faith they were brought up in. There are a few exceptions. Those exceptions are bragged about by those whose faith was accepted by someone in another faith, as a sign that the crossover proves they are following the one true path.

Anyone who won't "toe the line" of the local religion, is often ostracized if they don't keep it hidden.

It was 40 years lg...

What's the going rate for Indulgences?
May be my best chance...

Nope. Anyone who thinks that doesn't know thier Bible.

Skinner,
I believe sval know his Bible.
He's just draggin a little cut bait to see who grabs.

The Scofield bible,the printing of which was funded by Jews ( an Ashkenazi Jew), promotes Jews as god’s chosen people (hoax) ,to make Jews more acceptable. No Jew will enter heaven with out accepting Christ. Millions of Americans are following the fallacious Scofield bible,though, and one of the consequences is AIPAC infiltration of our government, and the false belief that we should back Israel. Jews are what is wrong with the world,if you asked me. Don’t let them lead you to Hades.

Danny
You are corect obout those using there religion to ostracized those of other religions.
This very thing was one of the 10 commandments. Thou shat not use thy Lords name in vain.
Sharing your faith and having a dialect on is totally different.
Most if not all religions have been guilty of ostracizing other beliefs. Even within there own faith.
The secular world does the same. Just not in the same way. Everyone has a religion. Its called selfishness. If we can get past this. Most peaple would agree that a thief and a murderer should be separated from society. It's a prideful nature that make a person think there respected of God because of there religion. God is no respector of persons. He searches the heart.

He is not saying Christians follow one. He is saying Jews see Jesus as a false prophet.

Here is your answer Savell....

Luke 13:34-35

Most Jews like Christians will make it to heaven.

Figuring I’m going to have enough trouble getting in without worry about anyone else.

It would appear that would be God's desire as well.

I have plenty of gripes with them but most importantly I'm not over them killing Christ.

This was actually one of the issues Jesus had with the religious leaders. They thought because they were Abraham's children they were special and guaranteed to enter God's kingdom. Jesus called them sons of Satan, not because they were Jewish, but because they rejected what the prophets said about him. We are not required to bless any nation. Abraham was chosen to carry the seed that led to Christ, that's why he was blessed. Jesus fulfilled it all and now there's no more Jew or Gentile. All those who believe are one in Christ.
There are hints in the Bible that a huge awakening will happen among the Jewish people of the world before the end and many will finally accept thier messiah.

No one, not even the devil took the life of Jesus. He gave it.

Since Jesus gave his life freely for you and me, would it be a good analogy to say you and I killed Him.

I may be a Catholic, but I've read the Bible and watched the Mel Gibson movie. I know Jesus gave his life but the Jews were certainly complicit in his death. Fact.

Blane,
It was because of hypocrisy, pride and misunderstanding that they rejected Jesus.
Jesus asked the father to forgive them.
Many came to understanding after the resurrection. But many still kept killing Jesus hypothetically.
Jesus said to Saul on the road to Damascus. Saul, why persecutest thou me, meaning why are you persecuting and killing my followers. They were being persecuted for following Jesus. They were the faithful. That were not violent. Not a religion, not a denomination, just followers of Jesus.
Christ says if we can't forgive others. Then he can't righteously forgive us. Because we are guilty also and that would be hypocrisy and unrighteous.

Good points. Thank you.

Fox paws, I believe you hit the nail on the head.
We are all guilty of sin. So Jesus had to die so we could live.
I'm Guilty. Thank God I have his son standing in my place come judgement day.
This gift is offered to all.

So...

A Rabbi, a Priest and an Atheist all show up at the pearly gates at the same time. Peter calls out first to the Rabbi....



I forgot the rest of the joke. Sorry!

I didn't read through 4 pages but wanted to answer you - No, they are still Gods chosen. Most rejected Him. The tribulation is very much Jewish by design.

A Jew comes to his Rabbi.
And said, “Rabbi, hear my lament. I had a son, my only son, and he was a good son. Best student at the university. Was about to become a great doctor at Jerusalem Hospital. What does this nudnik? Falls in love with a goy and converts to the Catholic faith! What should I do?”
The Rabbi said, “Oh how could I help you? You see, my son, my only son, he was such a good son. The best Talmud student was about to become a rabbi like me. Travels to Europe just once, talks to a priest, and now he wants to become a catholic priest! Let’s pray, maybe the Lord knows a solution.”
And they prayed. And indeed, the Lord came to them.
“Lord!”, they said, “hear our lament.”
“Oh how could I help you?”, the Lord said, “You see, my son, my only son…”

Keith

A priest was called away for an emergency. Not wanting to leave the confessional unattended, he called his rabbi friend from across the street and asked him to cover for him.
The rabbi told him he wouldn’t know what to say, but the priest told him to come on over and he’d stay with him for a little bit and show him what to do.
The rabbi comes, and he and the priest are in the confessional. After a few minutes, a woman enters and says, “Father forgive me for I have sinned.”
The priest asks, “What did you do?”.
The woman says, “I committed adultery.”
The Priest asked, “How many times?”
The Woman answered, “Three times.”
The Priest says, “Say two Hail Mary’s, put $5 in the box, and go and sin no more.”
A few minutes later a man enters the confessional.
He says, “Father forgive me for I have sinned.”
The Priest asks, “What did you do?”
The man replies, “I committed adultery.”
Priest asks, “How many times?”
The man replies, “Three times.”
Priest says, “Say two Hail Mary’s put $5 in the box, and go and sin no more.”
The rabbi tells the priest that he thinks he’s got it, so the priest leaves.
A few minutes later another woman enters and says, “Father forgive me for I have sinned.”
Rabbi asks, “What did you do?”
The woman replies, “I committed adultery.”
Rabbi asks, “How many times?”
The woman replies, “Once.”
Rabbi says, “Go do it two more times. We have a special this week, three for $5.”

Keith

Keith, that last one gets better every time I hear it. LOL

Let me expand on this .
Jesus told the woman at the well, a Samaritan. Salvation is of the jews. This does not mean that only Jews are saved or that no Gentiles are saved.it meant they were chosen as a vessel to the Masiah.
Jesus Christ fulfilled this. The jews weren't replaced, many rejected there Messiah that they were chosen for.
Jesus died for all, this was so we may live. Not everyone will exept this loving gift.

The messiah has come, so how can the jews of today be chosen to bring in the messiah wich has already come and set up his kingdom.

But the gentiles (Romans) are equally at blame, that is the genius behind the collaboration; we all killed Christ.

The messiah has come, so how can the jews of today be chosen to bring in the messiah wich has already come and set up his kingdom.

Messiah has come agreed. Jews were and still are His chosen. Their eyes have been "shut" intentionally by God - do I understand it fully - nope, I take scripture. Hence, why tribulation well be geared at Jews.........there will be a time when Jews eyes "open"

Belief of Gentiles as Jesus as Messiah will provoke jealousy among Jews - consider that - are you and I living to provoke jealousy to His Chosen nation - the Jews. Do we profess Jesus as Lord and Savior of not only gentiles but also Jews?

Jesus told the woman at the well, a Samaritan. Salvation is of the jews. This does not mean that only Jews are saved or that no Gentiles are saved.it meant they were chosen as a vessel to the Masiah.


Salvation is of the Jews. Not sure what this means. I understand your line of thought and agree but also consider that Jesus was a Jew and through His life, death, resurrection - He provided salvation for all. Hence my thinking of what Salvation is of the Jews means to me.

No Gentile laid down his life for me - He was clearly a Jew that thank the Lord they (Jews) rejected. My question has always been - what if the Jews had not rejected Christ as Messiah - wonder what the plan for gentiles would have been. Thank the Lord - I am not the planner......

Who are the guest at the marriage supper of the Lamb ?

Interesting thread Wasn't Peter who denied Christ and Paul who persecuted Christians both roman citizens kinda deniability factor there amongst the masses

I dont believe God rejects anyone, I believe its the other way. And I haven't read in the Bible where God closes the eyes of anyone so that they can't find him. God gives us free will to make our choice and choices have consequences.

I think some of u should spend more time studying the Bible instead of listening to pastors that are always trying to put a new spin on the Scriptures to make themselves look smarter.
It is our sin that put Christ on the cross. Yours and mine.

Amen

(Hence, why tribulation will be geared at Jews.)
TreedaBlackdog what tribulation are you speaking of.
Are you speaking of Matthew 24: 21

…. Never trust anyone that doesn’t eat bacon

If there was no bacon, that would be great tribulation like the world has never seen!!

I just realized my mojis are much like ADCs

ADC is a big fan of religious posts … I know he’s been reading every word

… we should have more of them

I didn't mean bipolar.