you're ignoring the IPCC officials ADMITTING it's a hoax/ploy.



the LEFT has turned it political!

if it was TRULY an "existential threat" (what's that...about the twelfth one in 6 months?)...then EVERYONE on the planet should cut their emissions by the same percentage. but that's NOT what is being promulgated, is it??

Doesn’t matter which side of the issue you’re on,,,

97% of scientists agree with whom ever is funding them

and every "scientific" paper that claims it's a man-made phenomenon can be traced back to big fat grants from government (often INTERNATIONAL governments!)

[they, TOO have a vested interest in the outcome]

can you find even ONE climate model that factors in the newly discovered (within the last ten years or so) subterranean ocean?

EXACTLY!!

The climate is changing as it always has running farmers loggers and other consumptive and renewable land users out of business is the wrong direction but gains the most headlines which= money

I'm still waiting for NY City to be under water.
Isn't that what Al Gore predicted 50 years ago, something like NY City will be under water in 10 years.
There's no noticeable rise in any of the oceans.
Just big bucks in Al's pocket.
Just look up the history on weather in your area alone.
It will give you a different view of your opinion.
Then look up the history world wide.
Yes things have changed, but so has the earth's axis.
I haven't looked lately but it seems to be tilting more toward the west, and the north pole is heading east.
somewhere around 100+- feet a year.
There has been entire switch of poles per studies , at least once , and possibility of many more.


The difference today is about 500 kilometers. But the Magnetic North Pole is actually moving kilometers every year. This phenomenon is known as the Polar Shift Theory.


https://gisgeography.com/magnetic-north-vs-geographic-true-pole/

I’ll throw my 2 bits in though they don’t matter.

I agree with BC, it’s observable and he’s right about the FF industry and the vast dollars spent. It’s also true about scientists and government. While that is true, it’s also true that here in Canada former PM Harper muzzled scientists from relaying findings to the public. So, it’s political from both sides, the most recent C government here in Canada cut funding for climate research because that’s bad for their business. The political aspect of it goes both ways.

Yes, weather is always changing, always has, the weather patterns here are currently just nuts, above freezing days in Februarys, frost in July, areas that have always been wet, drought stricken, dry areas getting 5” of rain in a day, the list goes on and on.

That said, I don’t think there’s much to be done about it and taxing it is a money grab that won’t do anything. 100 years ago there were about a billion people, now around 8, soon to be 15. I think it’s arrogant to believe we play no role. I also think it’s foolish to think we can reverse anything. I’ll be dead and gone long before projected things might possibly happen therefore I’ll actually never truly “know”.

Oh yeah in response to OW, there actually has been a very observable rise in global ocean levels according to NASA. That information is easily found. Is it enough to drown NYC? No, but to say there had been no rise is false.

"global warming is now large enough that we can ascribe with a high degree of confidence a cause and effect relationship to the greenhouse effect."...

Dr. Hanson is saying that because one [his preferred] theory fits with the observed temperature data, that proves a cause and effect relationship.

that's not Science. that's advocacy.

Aside from volcanoes and giant meteor strikes normal climate change happens slowly enough that you would see zero change in your lifetime. I am seeing climate change in just my seven decades and that is scary.

okay.

but that doesn't mean humans are causing it.

it could be natural. Nature doesn't ascribe to our preference for gradual change. it changes in fits and starts.

and 70 years isn't even a blip in geologic times.

Fits and starts when something extraordinary happened. Other than that it takes thousands of years. Slow enough that you won't notice a change in one lifetime.

The science is very easy to understand. Greenhouse gases hold the heat in making the planet warm up a lot faster than what it should be doing. The amount of gases that we humans are responsible for is easily computed and has been shown over and over with different models that it is game changing quantities. There is a lot of money in industries that want to keep status quo.

This truly is not hard to figure out.

[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/zmfRG8-RHEI?si=0i_v5TVniSGteblq[/video]

let us know when you've identified and evaluated all of the variables that affect climate.

so far, you've mentioned one.

At the end of the day we will all believe what we want. I’ll choose NASA over Matt Durkin’s YouTube movie. I also chose to believe the many experts that claimed much of the film was falsehoods. It is ironic I feel that someone who uses YouTube etc as business is certain climate change is just a global business.

To each their own I guess.

These 'different models' to which you refer, are they computer models? The same kind of faulty or deliberately altered models used in the past to predict dire outcomes, none of which have come to fruition?

Everything revolves in cycles. In a life time there are seasons, hot and cold cycles, wet and dry cycles. There are hundred year cycles revolving inside thousand year cycles and them inside larger ones. Odd how the sun goes through cycles also. Wonder why our temperature cycles correspond with the sun spot cycles? Our politicians and the need for taxes seem to run in cycles to fit agendas also. Always looking for a reason and ways to control minds and money. Seems there are cycles in people believing in what and how much kool -ad to drink to support such cycles.

and NONE of the computer models evaluate all of the variables that could affect climate.

CO2 makes up 0.04% of the atmosphere,,,,

Humans contribute between 3-5 % of total cO2 emitted annually,,,

Make it make sense?

It doesn’t!!!!

find some scientist that does got get big taxpayer paid grants and ask them. Even if there is any facts to climate change, how many US taxpayer dollars will it take for china and others to go net zero? china puts way more greenhouse gases than the US by the power of 4

Fact and at .02% trees and plants start dying meaning the end of life on earth