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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: white marlin] #8442903
07/25/25 11:51 PM
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Human caused variables: Greenhouse gas emissions, Deforestation, Industrial activity, Transportation, Energy production, Agriculture
Naturally occurring variables: Solar radiation, Volcanic activity, Ocean currents and Circulation, Earth's orbit and tilt, Natural carbon sinks, and the Albedo effect. Climate change would have always existed but it would have been a SLOWER process if it wasn't for human variables.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8442916
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I could use some of that warming. Had a fire in the stove today. Been sticking to the 50s most days here lately.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8442940
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According to Al Gore my eastern Pennsylvania property was supposed to be beach front property by now? LOL

After listening to many years of absolute bull crap promoting "man made global warming" even the ignorant masses started to see through the lies. What did the left do? They changed the terminology from global warming to climate change and became a bit more subtle but continued pushing the crap.

And folks like BP wonder why so many, especially those of us on the right, are skeptical.

Fifty years ago it was "global cooling" that was going to exterminate life on earth. I remember hearing about hair-brained schemes to spread fly ash on the polar ice caps to absorb solar heat and save us all. I'm sure there was lots of money to be made if that plan would've moved forward.

It's always about the money, always.


Eh...wot?

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8442995
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
A lot of money is being spent to make sure people think climate change is still a hoax.


how much money was spent to promulgate this hoax?



Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Hey Keith, want some mango trees to try at your place?


you've swerved into a great point for our argument...humans are among the most adaptable species on Earth (maybe coyotes beat us).

even if you are 100 percent right (you're NOT!), humans will figure out how to deal with a new climate. and we won't need no stinking government to tell us how to do it.

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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443003
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And AGAIN, climate change is being pushed by the same party that's killing beaver trapping in Oregon. Heck, they are even claiming the beavers are saving the planet. That should make you feel better.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: trapdog1] #8443076
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
And AGAIN, climate change is being pushed by the same party that's killing beaver trapping in Oregon. Heck, they are even claiming the beavers are saving the planet. That should make you feel better.


Nice one!

Again, I wish the politics of it would be left out and just deal with the science. The science is solid.

I do understand natural weather cycles and of course that has been going on since forever. I actually had meteorology and oceanography courses back in my University days. We called our meteorology class "weather guessing 101".


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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443097
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So what are you true believers going to do about climate change?

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443111
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Personally, I think it's too late. Action should have been taken when scientists first brought it to our attention. Even if the US and European countries curbed our carbon emissions to the levels that they want China and India won't play along....

Put your seatbelt on, world is going to be rocking pretty hard here .


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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443118
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how much money was spent to promulgate this hoax?


It was our money, taxpayers, money spent, it always has been.


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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8443126
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Personally, I think it's too late. Action should have been taken when scientists first brought it to our attention. Even if the US and European countries curbed our carbon emissions to the levels that they want China and India won't play along....

Put your seatbelt on, world is going to be rocking pretty hard here .

Maybe if those making the most noise would have led by example instead of taking private jets to climate conferences.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443128
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For those who think it’s entirely a hoax - how do you know for sure?

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8443131
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
The science is solid.


there is no established scientific cause and effect relationship.

there is a bought and paid for "consensus" among government-sponsored "scientists".

read any of those conclusions...they are peppered with what I call weasel words such as "might", "could", "may", etc. etc.

and you still didn't address the IPCC officials that the article quotes.

when those in charge of the indoctrination openly admit what they're doing, why won't you believe them?

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Is it possible the IPCC officials could have been paid large sums to say those things?

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443136
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Not entirely a hoax, I think. We could definitely clean up our act some.
But I don't see John Kerry living in a one room effeciency apartment and riding a bicycle. The Obammy's haven't altered their lifestyle to save the planet. Other than telling me to change my ways, they haven't done a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) thing. It might be a little easier to take seriously if the climate change leaders weren't such hypocrites.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Leroy Bob] #8443137
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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
Is it possible the IPCC officials could have been paid large sums to say those things?


They've been getting ice core samples of past weather and the environment for years.
As old as the ice caps have been around.
Alot of information on our changing climate in those.
Studying tree rings is another example of studying the climate.
Globalists want one thing, and that's total control.
Look at what happened when Europe became the European Union.
Not as many members now are there?
Total control is just like the Covid pandemic , a scare tactic study, to see just how many will follow and do as told!
Same as the European Union experiment .

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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443200
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Which to you guys seems to be the bigger draw; "to control things" or to protect the trillions of dollars the fossil fuel interests rake in? Seems pretty clear who stands to benefit the most from persuading the public to their point of view.

Is this not obvious?


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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8443208
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Which to you guys seems to be the bigger draw; "to control things" or to protect the trillions of dollars the fossil fuel interests rake in? Seems pretty clear who stands to benefit the most from persuading the public to their point of view.

Is this not obvious?


fossil fuel's "trillions of dollars" represent a lot of expensive infrastructure that provide safe, reliable sources of energy-dense products that make modern living possible.

if fossil fuel companies are so selfish, why are developing countries allowed to continue to use their evil products? why don't THEY just put up windmills?

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: white marlin] #8443217
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Which to you guys seems to be the bigger draw; "to control things" or to protect the trillions of dollars the fossil fuel interests rake in? Seems pretty clear who stands to benefit the most from persuading the public to their point of view.

Is this not obvious?


fossil fuel's "trillions of dollars" represent a lot of expensive infrastructure that provide safe, reliable sources of energy-dense products that make modern living possible.

if fossil fuel companies are so selfish, why are developing countries allowed to continue to use their evil products? why don't THEY just put up windmills?



Stop telling the truth, White.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443218
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Is there a model out there that includes the impact of the suns changing cycles and slightly shifting poles of earth?
I believe it's also human arrogance to think that we can impact the planet enough to end it
Our civilization is on the downhill side of it's time on this planet
And the planet will be still be here long, long, long after this version of human existence has passed

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