Climate change is real (natural cycles), it’s taken advantage of politically, and yes there is tax abuse but that’s all taxes.

I simply asked questions when I first jumped in here. And then I suggested that humans had the ability to affect and speed up natural cycles.

Only once every one of you nannies lost your mind did I decide to take a harder stance, cuz it ain’t a crime to think different or consider alternative ideas.

It was part of a greater point surrounding humans’ ability to impact the world and environment. Did you read the thread or just pick up where you wanted?

Leroy, you're just spinning your wheels with folks that believe anything that the government is for must be bad. Many will tell you they don't even believe man ever went to the moon!...It was all staged by the government.

Also there are the pick and choose science crowd. Willing to use advances in science that allow for life saving operations or cancer treatments, but if it doesn't fit their politics it must be a hoax.

Climate change is measurable and I truly believe only those that don't understand how mathematics and physics work will find fault. Or don't understand how a 2 or 3C warmer ocean will make much difference.

So, save your breath man! LOL

Funny how in 35 yrs of bs no one can say how much the globe has warmed.....I wanna see a number

Interesting breakdown of everyone's thought processes.
Yet neither one of you have shown any proof!
As far as not believing that man went to the moon?
Isn't that a liberal nonsensible belief?

OK Leroy Bob, I read it again and I can't figure out what. when, where, or why you pulled well water out to show a change in the climate. I remember when the neighbors dog lifted his leg on the well curb and my mom was not happy. While she felt it was unclean, I don't remember her thinking it was going to cause a 4th of July flood.
I missed your point, please enlighten me where I missed your point.

Agree on spinning your wheels with some of the Tman crew.

But, I'll take a different angle. I don't want or need the government telling me what to think. I do greatly value and believe in science, physics, math, actual education, real expertise and critical thinking (that's not stupid YouTube grifters asking stupid questions). I could keep going.

Oh yeah, people can and have harmed the planet. Fact.

True. Yet our planet has likely been much warmer in the past evidenced by the fossil record as well as much colder. I am not convinced we are the reason it has warmed in the last few years. I think it likely that another ice age will follow the warming.

What is the worst thing that man has ever done in your lifetime to destroy the earth. I'm thinking Chernobyl, but even that didn't cause a Silent Spring. I guess spitting on the side walk is no big deal, but just think if everybody did it, thus a new law is born, lol.

who says the current temperature is the ideal temperature?

on what basis do you make that claim?

We know it’s cyclical so I think we can expect this to be true.

Again, part of a greater point that we can impact large cities in several smaller ways, so why couldn’t that add up to impact the world in a very significant way?

But I’m done asking questions. It’s not allowed to have my own mindset around here, even if it’s just a slight variation of the whole.

I should follow my own advice and just shut up because nothing I have to add here will be of any value to naysayers. But.......

We humans have been around for a couple hundred thousand years. There has been significant climate change during that time all by natural cycles that had nothing to do with us. Ice ages and warming ups have occurred. But the big population explosion for humans has really happened in only the last 10,000 years. Part of that has had to do with the "Goldilocks" climate we have been experiencing since the last ice age. This has allowed hunting and gathering to be mostly replaced with the much more productive plant and animal agriculture.

Then the industrial revolution came around we started using vast amounts of cheap energy to fuel it. Stored carbon that took millions of years to accumulate was suddenly being released into the atmosphere.

At some point science was able to figure out how to measure atmospheric CO2 and we discovered that it was increasing. We know from ice core samples that there is a correlation between high levels of atmospheric CO2 and warmer global periods. The greenhouse effect. Atmospheric CO2 acts like a blanket to trap heat. As oceans begin to heat up and polar ice melts weather patterns are disrupted and larger hurricanes fueled by warmer water are more common.

All this has been predicted by scientists long ago. But the speed of the warming has actually been grossly underestimated. Most of the models did not account for a thawing permafrost to give up vast amounts of methane which is even worse that CO2 in trapping heat.

Atmospheric CO2 levels are double what they were 400,000 years ago and increasing faster than what normal climate change is capable of with the exception of catastrophic events like volcano eruptions or large meteor strikes.

This is as close as you can get to proving that man's activities are causing this acceleration of global warming. Scientists will always phrase things as "may" or "might" because it is so complex nobody can say definitively exactly how all this comes together. But there is complete accord with scientists worldwide that this is happening and we are responsible for it. Except for a handful of "Youtube" scientists that seem to get funding from the energy sector who are always shouting hoax! I once upon a time looked at funding for some the more notorious contributors and found they we're all financially supported by the fossil fuels industry.

I keep getting asked for proof. If you really had an open mind you can find "proof" or as close to it as allowed in the realm of math and science by looking this stuff up. And if you think of the physics of it all it does make perfect sense. Walk into a greenhouse if you don't believe me.

OK I'll shut up.

a correlation in time does not establish a scientific cause and effect relationship---Science 101

no matter how many times you say it does.

an example:

Suppose X is the daily temperature recorded, and Y is the number of visitors to a beach. Even though we observe that as temperature rises the number of visitors to the beach also increases (positive correlation), higher temperature do not directly cause more people to go to the beach: such a decision might be influenced by other factors like day of the week, whether it is holiday or not, whether special events are going on at that beach, and so on. Temperature may partly influence the decision to go to the beach, but it is not the direct cause. www.statology.org

And those plants do exceptionally well in that environment
Isn't that a contradiction to your ideas

Keep posting BP
Maybe you'll change your mind in the end

Yep. Jungle plants. Why do you think the temperate zone is feeding the poor in tropical countries?

Again you have it backwards
Just look up what's grown in tropical climates
They feed us

Sorry Charley. I'm an Ag guy.... chocolate and bananas aren't feeding the worlds masses.

You really think that's all that's grown in the tropical climate, your not much of an AG guy
And those countries stay poor because outside influence keeps them that way