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Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: loosanarrow] #8447086
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Originally Posted by loosanarrow
Swamp, I assume you are putting me in the “complainers” group. And I suppose you are correct. If it helps my standing in your assessment, instead of hunting myself I took a buddy who had never killed a turkey to my spot, and got him his first. Then, since that was opening day, I took a friend’s daughter who was hunting under a youth tag and got her first one also a few days later. Actually I just picked the spots and gave them some calling lessons, then let them use my decoys and pitched a blind next to them and enjoyed the show. Indiana law does not allow me to call for someone else (even if I do not have a gun) without a tag.
But yeah, I am standing by my statement that the state can keep “their” overgrown sparrow for $53 or $56 or whatever it was. Turkeys just aren’t that big of deal to me, so that’s my choice. I would go $20, but they aren’t taking bids. You are correct that another big bird just is not important enough to me. And so I am a complainer, I will admit it. But not complaining too much, because again, another turkey is not terribly important to me. I spend a lot of time in the wild places, and turkey hunting just doesn’t add much percentage wise.
I did really enjoy watching the buddy and the young lady get their birds though, more than I would have enjoyed blasting one myself, and the best part, it was next to free (i hunt private land, no lease or fee, spoiled for life I am…)
I do hear what you are saying, people pay big $ for extra curricular activities all the time, but in my case the turkey wasn’t worth the $56 they are charging now. Maybe it is a clue to how important shooting another one is to me that I refer to them as overgrown sparrows. No shade to those who love turkeys, just not a huge deal to me.

Story time, Vinke quit reading a while ago but some may find it funny..
Was at the Primitive Archery National Shoot in Marshall MI a couple decades ago and the subject of turkeys came up in camp. Norm, an avid turkey hunter who used flintlocks he made himself to chase them, was talking about how smart they are, and another buddy looked him dead in the eye and said “dumbest animal in the woods!”. Norm gave him the stink eye, and the guy said “I will give you an example! You are walking in the woods with your buddy, and hear what sounds like a particularly attractive lady at the top of the hill calling out ‘oh boys, I am soooooo in love with you, come up here and show me some lovin’ boys!!! Come on what are you boys waiting for, I’m right here!’. Now you may be good friends, but some things are worth competing for so you both run up that hill elbowing each other to get there first. Your buddy is faster and gets there first…. BOOM, he gets his head blown off. You run away in terror but you get halfway down the hill, and you hear that same attractive sounding lady at the top of hill saying “Im still here, and your buddy is flopping like a weirdo, come back, I am all yours now big boy. What would you do? Because I doubled on turkeys just like that last season!
Norm joined everyone in a good laugh, he didn’t mind losing that argument.

I agree $56 for a resident turkey tag is a bit high. There nothing a hunter can do if he don't like the license prices but what you did and just don't hunt.

Unfortunately, I cant do that. Deer hunting in the fall & winter and spring gobbler hunting is all I do (other than a little trapping, but that's all commercial work now for me). So, no matter the license costs...I'm buying.

I dont have any other hobbies or past times...I'm a boring old dude.....don't fish but a few times a year, dont give a crap about any sports that involve a ball, a car, or anything else. I don't drink, so I don't go to bars. My kids are grown...don't have any grandkids. All my extra-curricular activities are deer & turkey related....lol

No worries about your standing with me. You one of, if not the best nuisance beaver trapper on Tman. If I'm ever at a convention and you're doing a demo...I won't miss your demo!


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Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8447090
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Spent a couple hours with the grandson hunting slugs. Didn’t cost much, aside from the salt used. Great time for all!

Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: mad_mike] #8447092
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Originally Posted by mad_mike
Spent a couple hours with the grandson hunting slugs. Didn’t cost much, aside from the salt used. Great time for all!

What do yall do with them? Fish bait?


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Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8447094
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by mad_mike
Spent a couple hours with the grandson hunting slugs. Didn’t cost much, aside from the salt used. Great time for all!

What do yall do with them? Fish bait?


…. C’mon swamp … you never salted those slimey things just to watch them shrivel up as a kid ?

… I’m officially questioning your raising


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Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8447096
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Slugs? I'm assuming what we call leaches?

I have little use for those nasty things. Seen em attached to beaver before and turtles.


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Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8447098
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Slugs? I'm assuming what we call leaches?

I have little use for those nasty things. Seen em attached to beaver before and turtles.



…. This is what they look like … grandma would send you with a can of mortan salt to hunt them lol

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Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Yes sir] #8447100
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
$$$ has severely changed the activity of hunting in my part of the world and not for the better is my only point. And I seriously doubt anyone that truly loves hunting and has lived through the changes I've seen would disagree with me. If that's whining than so be it but that's just my opinion based off my experience. Is it easier to harvest a big deer today in my area than it was 30 years ago? Yes if u can get on ground to hunt but so much of all the other experiences of hunting are lost because of the Dollar and what it brings to hunting.


This right here is my point. Every area is different. I'll tell you flat out in the upper midwest years ago you could get permission on a lot of places by asking the landowner. Up here a handshake and a thank you went further than it does down south evidently. Of course it didn't hurt that my Dad also helped one of the landowners kids out of trouble a few times. I don't hunt that property anymore as it's leased out by the owners other son. It happens so you deal with it. Ironically where I hunt joins that property and I have no ill will towards him and talk to him when I see him. The other farm I'm referring to that joins on the other side of the property I hunt was a relative of my Dads. It was sold so that's also done with. I talk to the current landowner a lot during the fall as he's a hunter. Of course I park right next to his land at the parking area by the road so I see him quite often. We get along great. You see up here sometimes when you're liked that can go aways with people and it's kind of nice. Don't act like a jack arse it gets you farther.

Now to the land where I hunt. What I didn't say before and it really doesn't matter but maybe it'll shed a little light on things to folks with common sense, others it'll sail over their head. I've hunted that area all my life, it's in the middle of nowhere in between 2 dead end roads. The bottom end where I hunt is pretty secluded. I've found chains cut on the gates before which I closed and told the landowner about. I've fixed holes in the fence all be it temporary fixes but it kept the cattle in. I've caught people in there who shouldn't be and reported it to the landowner. The landowner knows if I see something out of place I let them know. I've dragged fallen branches off fences and lifted the wires back up several times securing it with whatever old wire I can find. Here's something else, there's a memorial marker for my Dad on a log down on that property. He was cremated and his ashes were spread there. He grew up in an old cabin about 1/2 mile from the property I hunt. As a kid he hunted and trapped that area. That is where he wanted to be when he died. I'm lucky I can hunt on that land yet and I know it. It may change in the future and I can't predict that but what I can do is be respectful, not leave trash around and also I don't drive on their property. I don't want the combinations to the locks so I can't be blamed for something I didn't do. I don't own a side by side so I don't need to worry about it.

Some people haven't got a clue but it doesn't stop them from spewing a bunch of drivel fueled in large part by jealousy.

To Yes sir and a whole bunch of others from the midwest you know what I'm talking about when asking permission quite often got you on ground to hunt, fish or trap. It was a far simpler/better time and a lot different than now. Nobody gave a crap about shooting a Booner or P/Y and most didn't know what that meant either. That was me too.

Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8447101
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by mad_mike
Spent a couple hours with the grandson hunting slugs. Didn’t cost much, aside from the salt used. Great time for all!

What do yall do with them? Fish bait?


Nah, melt them for giggles.

Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8447102
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Slugs? I'm assuming what we call leaches?

I have little use for those nasty things. Seen em attached to beaver before and turtles.



Nope, they are on dry land. Banana Slugs get quite large, as does the slime puddle after salting. Ammonia in a squirt bottle is pretty sporting also.

Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Savell] #8447103
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Originally Posted by Savell
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Slugs? I'm assuming what we call leaches?

I have little use for those nasty things. Seen em attached to beaver before and turtles.



…. This is what they look like … grandma would send you with a can of mortan salt to hunt them lol

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Snail w/o a shell?

Not common down here in my part of the deep South.

Don't know that I've ever seen one without a shell. And it was less than an inch long.

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Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8447105
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You'd have to be a professional slug hunter to find any number of those down here.


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Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8447107
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This entire thread is why all the “outdoor channels” suck. There are a million things to hunt, trap, fish, but all they wanna show are whispering deer hunters from paid land in an elevated blind. I pay 153 bucks for an out of state turkey tag (and I get 2) every year because I love the land and I toss a case of beer or a bottle of whiskey at the landowners and they are happy as (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). If I deer hunted, I could find a private spot locally (been offered-dont deer hunt) or just hunt public. For EVERYTHING else, I get a combo of both public and private. I dont feel like Im getting squeezed out of hunting anytime soon.

Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8447108
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Expensive no kidding ,it's over, done with,get over it. Figure out a way..
But it's all up to you how.
I moved to alaska, took different jobs for carrots (hunting opportunities).totally paid off.
The trips and time involved would of been millions if guided

Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8447157
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While the pros are assembled.

What is up with a deer severe drooling,
frothing at the mouth?
The same one did it last year.





Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8447169
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I have been on some great hunts that some of you would envy. Never paid 10 cents above equipment costs. I still won't. Pay to hunt is not a good thing. I will never participate.


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Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8447190
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Own an 80 acre farm that borders my son in laws family farm that is another 240. Have 4 acres that our house is on that borders my wife’s grandparents (century farm) that is close to 400 acres. My sons and I kill deer every year, but last year was the first year in 40 that I didn’t tag a buck. Had opportunities but used tags to kill does off neighbors pumpkin patch as they were doing damage.

We have a fair amount of public ground but it gets a bit “sporty” from out of state hunters that take advantage of our cheap licenses. I refrain from hunting the public ground.

Swamp, I know there has to be some good game wardens, but I haven’t seen or met one in far too long. I still remember the story of a warden getting caught turkey hunting on land he didn’t have permission on and it got him ran out of Maries County. I still have and use one of their turkey box calls. These days we get a new warden every 2 to 3 years straight out of the academy. All gung-ho and ignorant of how to work with the public and short on humility. They cannot build relationships that would help them be more successful or even try to become part of the community.

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Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Crappiekiller] #8447220
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Originally Posted by Crappiekiller


Swamp, I know there has to be some good game wardens, but I haven’t seen or met one in far too long. I still remember the story of a warden getting caught turkey hunting on land he didn’t have permission on and it got him ran out of Maries County. I still have and use one of their turkey box calls. These days we get a new warden every 2 to 3 years straight out of the academy. All gung-ho and ignorant of how to work with the public and short on humility. They cannot build relationships that would help them be more successful or even try to become part of the community.

I know. This is a serious problem here in Ga too. The applicant pool is thin and pathetic. I dont know what to suggest that will fix this that will work on a statewide level. These young folks have little outdoor knowledge or experience and even less people skills....which is what a law enforcement job is....its ALL people management.

I was on Georgia's DNR LE hiring board one year. We interviewed 50+ applicants in a week. We had one young man that had made it thru the process to this interview.....a feat in itself! When I asked about his outdoor experience he stated that he had been a WalMart shopping cart gatherer which was mostly outdoors and that was his only experience. I just about lost my mind.....had to hold back. This guy had made it thru the written test, the physical abilities test - running & swimming, background check, etc.

Out of all those applicants we interviewed that week only about 5 knew what a trap was. Only about 7 or 8 produced a current hunting or fishing license when I asked. It was shocking and this same mess is occurring at the state interviews today.


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Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Wright Brothers] #8447222
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Originally Posted by Wright Brothers
While the pros are assembled.

What is up with a deer severe drooling,
frothing at the mouth?
The same one did it last year.

Got pics?


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Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: danny clifton] #8447225
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I have been on some great hunts that some of you would envy. Never paid 10 cents above equipment costs. I still won't. Pay to hunt is not a good thing. I will never participate.

We all pay to hunt....some more than others....

Gun/Bow
Ammo/Arrows
Licenses
Clothing...ie cold weather gear
Treestands/Blinds
Other gear...binoculars, rangefinder, etc
Fuel to get there
Lease/membership cost (if you don’t own the land)
Property taxes (if you do own the land)


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Re: Hunting is getting expensive [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8447228
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The pre job " skill pool " is very poor at this time in my lifetime. I have witnessed it so frequently that I have real concerns for what is in store for this country and its employees in the years to come.

Young folks that know very little and have very little basic practical hands on skills to bring to the table. Many could care less in their performance or quality of work. I get applicants interested in a wildlife control job that have no experience with animals at all of any kind. It isn't worth the time vested to train them. Might as well do it yourself.

They think like..... Just give me an easy job that I can do, pay me good and let me do what I feel like doing.

You are lucky to have me kind of attitude.

My first real experience with land leasing and pay to hunt was really exposed to me in Kansas years back. I thought, what is this all about? It was an eye opener until I learned more about it. I ran into some complications when trapping some nice cat country.

These desk job folks would want to go quail hunting on these places a few times a month. Of course, they were using dogs so I had to cover or pull my cat/ coyote sets for a few days in a month to keep peace. Which I did, but it was a pain and likely lost some opportunities at some cats as a result.

Sometimes you just have to play the cards you are given and make the best. It is better than having no place at all.

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