Everything in the world with the exception of firearms have progressed at an exponential rate. No company has bested the 220 Swift, 300 Weatherby, 264 WM etc. for 50+ years. The only thing that has change is the bullet ogive. Velocity is no better! Oh and they cut a couple inches off the tube. P.O.Ackley is spinning inn his grave. We should have velocities 5000fps by now.

Been saying that for a long time. Not 5000fps but nothing new in spite of advertising by gun writers on each new wonderful development. Have to reinvent the wheel to keep selling. Scopes are seriously improved.

Material science is still bound to the metallurgy of barrels and actions when dealing with pressure propulsion of projectiles.

The Army's new 6.8 had to fundamentally change the cartridge case in order to hold higer pressures.

You can probably build a gun that doesn't leave the bench to shoot 5000+. You wouldn't want to carry it out to the field and hunt with it

If they get the 7 backcountry mastered that will open the door to higher velocities with longer barrels but no bullets will be up to par. And barrel life might suffer. Right now accuracy is main game and I'm not sure there's a real need for higher velocities. What would be the gain in extreme velocities?
With range finders and ballistic apps flat shooting isn't as important as it once was.

Folks want to kill stuff a mile away with a flatter trajectory.

With range finders and ballistic apps a flat trajectory isn't that important for extreme distance hit. The creedmoor is a slow cartridge but pretty accurate at longer ranges, ranges further that most people can make ethical shots on game. A thousand more feet per second is going to gain very range forgiveness at 4 figure distances.

Well Yes sir, you and I both understand that, but we also both know that as soon as they start writing up how flat it shoots and how far it kills, money will start changing hands real quick.

Lol true words. People were jumping on the 7 BC before it was really proven if it works

Its called a price point.


People dont want to pay what it would cost.

Get you a 30"+ barrel and you'll have speed.

Not fun to carry tho!

Boy this is getting good.
All I know the new stuff I've messed with is generally easier to deal with across the board vs a lot of legacy cartridges.....

But in the grand scheme of things when 60% of people are either nah dumping into berms or boiler rooming a deer at least the 100yd .... Does a lot of it really even matter ?

What's getting good?

The thread ? What a guy can't enjoy a post talking about old stuff being better then new stuff

I must have missed it. I thought we were talking about extreme velocities. But if ur enjoying it all is good

I'm talking about new technology, not just stuffing more powder in a case. Same old brass case, barrel steel etc. Its been more than 50 years. $$ is no object. Lots of 5000.00 dollar rifles with 4000.00 thermal scopes.

Probably because calibers like the 220 swift and 264 win mag got the reputation of barrel burners. Faster isn’t always better

^^^ this^^^ At much over 4000fps barrels start burning the throat.

Pressure equals velocity and brass cases can't handle any more pressure.

Portable power supply and batteries are limited for man portable lazers as far as I have seen. But it's not science I follow closely.

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