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Landowner reply to state game dept.... #8451935
08/10/25 09:54 AM
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Thought many here would find this humorous...



A State Department of Fish and Wildlife sends a letter to a home/landowner asking for permission to access a creek on his property to document the decline in a certain species of unheard of frogs.

The property owners' response in the second letter is EPIC.

Letter from Dept. Of Fish & Wildlife:

Dear Landowner:
WDFWR Staff will be conducting surveys for foothill yellow-legged frogs & other amphibians over the next few months. As part of this research we would like to survey the creek on your property. I am writing this letter to request your permission to access your property.

Recent research indicates that foothill yellow-legged frogs have declined significantly in recent years and are no longer found at half their historic sites. Your cooperation will be greatly appreciated and will help contribute to the conservation of this important species.

Please fill out the attached postage-paid postcard and let us know if you are willing to let us cross your property or not.

If you have any concerns about this project please give us a call. We would love to talk with you about our research.

Sincerely

Steve Nemel

Conservation Strategy Implementation Biologist

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RESPONSE FROM LANDOWNERS:

Dear Mr. Nemel:

Thank you for your inquiry regarding accessing our property to survey for the yellow-legged frog. We may be able to help you out with this matter.

We have divided our 2.26 acres into 75 equal survey units with a draw tag for each unit. Application fees are only $8.00 per unit after you purchase the "Frog Survey License" ($120.00 resident / $180.00 Non-Resident). You will also need to obtain a "Frog Habitat" parking permit ($10.00 per vehicle).

You will also need an "Invasive Species" stamp ($15.00 for the first vehicle and $5.00 for each add'l vehicle) You will also want to register at the Check Station to have your vehicle inspected for Non-native plant life prior to entering our property. There is also a Day Use fee, $5.00 per vehicle.

If you are successful in the Draw you will be notified two weeks in advance so you can make necessary plans and purchase your "Creek Habitat" stamp. ($18.00 Resident / $140.00 Non-Resident).

Survey units open between 8 am. And 3 PM. But you cannot commence survey until 9 am. And must cease all survey activity by 1 PM.

Survey Gear can only include a net with a 2" diameter made of 100% organic cotton netting with no longer than an 18 in handle, non-weighted and no deeper than 6' from net frame to bottom of net. Handles can only be made of BPA-free plastics or wooden handles.

After 1 PM. You can use a net with a 3" diameter if you purchase the "Frog Net Endorsement" ($75.00 Resident / $250 Non-Resident).

Any frogs captured that are released will need to be released with an approved release device back into the environment unharmed.

As of June 1, we are offering draw tags for our "Premium Survey" units and application is again only $8.00 per application.

However, all fees can be waived if you can verify "Native Indian Tribal rights and status".

You will also need to provide evidence of successful completion of "Frog Surveys" and your "Comprehensive Course on Frog Identification, Safe Handling Practices, and Self-Defense Strategies for Frog Attacks."

This course is offered on-line through an accredited program for a nominal fee of $750.00.

Please let us know if we can be of assistance to you. Otherwise, we decline your access to our property but appreciate your inquiry.

“Let’s Go Brandon!”

Sincerely,
The American Citizens!


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Re: Landowner reply to state game dept.... [Re: trappermac NY] #8451937
08/10/25 09:57 AM
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Re: Landowner reply to state game dept.... [Re: trappermac NY] #8451942
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internet BS read the same thing about grizzly and wolf research Prebbles jumping mouse but still funny.

Re: Landowner reply to state game dept.... [Re: trappermac NY] #8451944
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I like it.

Re: Landowner reply to state game dept.... [Re: danvee] #8451962
08/10/25 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by danvee
internet BS read the same thing about grizzly and wolf research Prebbles jumping mouse but still funny.



Don't open the August meme thread, lots of "internet BS" there too grin


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Re: Landowner reply to state game dept.... [Re: trappermac NY] #8452041
08/10/25 01:29 PM
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Sounds reasonable to me .... except that the request was likely before covid and the prices should be at least doubled by now.

Re: Landowner reply to state game dept.... [Re: trappermac NY] #8452049
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I would be very hesitant to let any state officials enter my property to look for threatened or endangered species. It's an easy way to lose rights and access to your own property.

Keith

Re: Landowner reply to state game dept.... [Re: trappermac NY] #8452079
08/10/25 02:43 PM
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I LIKE it to. I think this should be S.O.P. for all State requests. The Feds don't ask.

Re: Landowner reply to state game dept.... [Re: trappermac NY] #8452082
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A friend of mine in NY has a farm that DEC found some fancy bird nesting in his pasture, wanted to lease the pasture---he plowed it!

Re: Landowner reply to state game dept.... [Re: Tom Fisher] #8452093
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Originally Posted by Tom Fisher
A friend of mine in NY has a farm that DEC found some fancy bird nesting in his pasture, wanted to lease the pasture---he plowed it!

grin Well done, my friend ! smile

Re: Landowner reply to state game dept.... [Re: trappermac NY] #8452497
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Sounds like another waste of taxpayer dollars to me.


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