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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Donnie H] #8458968
08/23/25 09:02 AM
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I am concerned that some people view bow hunting as merely a competitive sport, and anything that makes it more difficult and challenging somehow makes it more worthy or admirable. I completely disagree. Hunting is a heritage activity and for my part, cleanly harvesting an animal is more important than anything else. I have first place trophies and plaques for competitive compound bow shooting, but when I go out the door into the woods here, I will use the most effective weapon I can - either a crossbow or a rifle, depending on the season. I don't need to add any degree of difficulty to my hunt. I will take in my surroundings and appreciate my woods, and take a deer effectively when the opportunity presents itself, and then process that deer and make wonderful things with the meat.

I am sick to death of hearing about neighbors trying to track their deer because of bow shooting mistakes or mishaps. I don't care how a hunter harvests a deer, as long as it's accurate, effective and humane. If you are less than expert with with a compound bow (or an other more challenging type of bow), don't practice on deer.

Effective and responsible killing in the woods. Sports and competition elsewhere. That's my take on it.

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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8458971
08/23/25 09:06 AM
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I see competition as a good thing nothing to fear or be jelious of its a motivation to me nothing more. Lots of bad behaviors in the woods from self centered “sportsman” that they don’t even realize is selfish. Ran into guys scouting for rifle elk the past 2 seasons the opening week of archery season I thought that was rude it was legal yes but still rude. The ones that don’t understand that will never get it.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8458973
08/23/25 09:07 AM
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“Why use a flintlock if you can kill one with a bow??”

I guess why make microwave popcorn when you can make it on the stove?
Why use the gas oven when you can make a fire outside?
Why use a match to light a fire when you can use a flint and steel?

We probably can’t be pure and traditional in every single thing we do.
I’m not debating that crossbows are an evil tool or for the lazy.

I have simply a bad taste in my mouth about them from someone we know who continually takes less than desirable, long shots and fails to recover MULTIPLE deer each season. I single-handedly blame this person for the existence of our antler restrictions. He’s a friend of the family but one of the lousiest examples of a fair chase hunter I’ve ever encountered.

It’s not a fair bias against all crossbow hunters, is it?
But it goes to show you how the actions of one sportsman can create a negative image in someone’s mind.

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8458975
08/23/25 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
[. The people that have the power to legalize them have no clue about what's best management practices for the deer herd in their respective state


BMP's are in the realm of PGC (in PA); not the Legislators.

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8458976
08/23/25 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
[ My issue isn't with the guys that use them if it's legal, it's the state allowing it. (See my op)
If it was based on science and what was needed, then fine. But it's not, the crossbow industry has spent millions lobbying state politicians across the country. The people that have the power to legalize them have no clue about what's best management practices for the deer herd in their respective state



Deer herd in many states needs shrunk. Or parts of those states needs shrunk. Deer size is shrinking due to overpopulation, doe to buck ratio completely out of whack in many areas. If it wasnt for EHD in some ares, it would be really bad here.

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8458978
08/23/25 09:20 AM
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Check the resale value of these implements of argument.





Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: white marlin] #8458979
08/23/25 09:24 AM
08/23/25 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by Pafoxman
[. The people that have the power to legalize them have no clue about what's best management practices for the deer herd in their respective state


BMP's are in the realm of PGC (in PA); not the Legislators.



Now now White Marlin. Don’t let real facts get in the way of PAfactman’s “facts”.


lol


Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!

Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: white marlin] #8458981
08/23/25 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by Pafoxman
[. The people that have the power to legalize them have no clue about what's best management practices for the deer herd in their respective state


BMP's are in the realm of PGC (in PA); not the Legislators.


Mn legislators passed it, our dnr was forced to adopt it. Competition for hunting in this state is massive and it spills over into other states. I guess we can always pursue more western game, Hey snowy have anymore room on the ranch for some MN guys?

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8458982
08/23/25 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
Originally Posted by Lugnut


False

Our archery season is eleven weeks, 14 weeks if your in one of the special regulation areas.

Oh wait, as a purist archer you only hunt the six week rut season right? When bucks are all horny and stupid-acting chasing does at all hours of the day. When you have the absolute best chance of connecting with a buck all year.

Seems to me a hardcore, purist archer such as yourself would hunt all the seasons available to him. Heck, your bow is a legal weapon during ALL the deer seasons, including rifle, which would give you even more time afield. You could really extend your season if you took advantage of all that time.

Why don't you?


Actually I do! I hunt with my bow all the time during gun seasons; thanks for asking!
Our archery only season is 6 weeks. Obviously you can use a bow during gun season and I do. This is also the appropriate time to use crossbows if you want to hunt with one


Where are you getting six weeks from? Have you looked in a digest lately?

2025-2026 PA Deer Archery Seasons

DEER, ARCHERY (Antlered and Antlerless) WMUs 2B, 5C and 5D: Sept. 20-Nov. 15; Sunday, Nov. 16; Nov. 17-22; Sunday, Nov. 23; Nov. 24-28 and Dec. 26-Jan. 24, 2026. One antlerless deer with each required antlerless license or permit. One antlered deer per hunting license year.

DEER, ARCHERY (Antlered and Antlerless) Statewide: Oct. 4 -Nov. 15; Sunday, Nov. 16; Nov. 17-21 and Dec. 26-Jan. 19, 2026. One antlered deer per hunting license year. One antlerless deer with each required antlerless license or permit.

One antlered deer per hunting license year.

One antlered deer, and an antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.

That adds up to 11-14 weeks to me.

I'm from southeast PA same as you. There's more than enough deer to go around. Why do you care what other people kill them with as long as it's legal? You should probably just mind your own business, that would cause you much less stress and you might even become less of a jerk.


Eh...wot?

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Patrice] #8458983
08/23/25 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Patrice
I am concerned that some people view bow hunting as merely a competitive sport, and anything that makes it more difficult and challenging somehow makes it more worthy or admirable. I completely disagree. Hunting is a heritage activity and for my part, cleanly harvesting an animal is more important than anything else. I have first place trophies and plaques for competitive compound bow shooting, but when I go out the door into the woods here, I will use the most effective weapon I can - either a crossbow or a rifle, depending on the season. I don't need to add any degree of difficulty to my hunt. I will take in my surroundings and appreciate my woods, and take a deer effectively when the opportunity presents itself, and then process that deer and make wonderful things with the meat.

I am sick to death of hearing about neighbors trying to track their deer because of bow shooting mistakes or mishaps. I don't care how a hunter harvests a deer, as long as it's accurate, effective and humane. If you are less than expert with with a compound bow (or an other more challenging type of bow), don't practice on deer.

Effective and responsible killing in the woods. Sports and competition elsewhere. That's my take on it.

Patrice

Amen


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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8458985
08/23/25 09:31 AM
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I Agree Lugnut & ElsmashO


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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: elsmasho82] #8458987
08/23/25 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by elsmasho82
I’m not debating that crossbows are an evil tool or for the lazy.

I have simply a bad taste in my mouth about them from someone we know who continually takes less than desirable, long shots and fails to recover MULTIPLE deer each season. I single-handedly blame this person for the existence of our antler restrictions. He’s a friend of the family but one of the lousiest examples of a fair chase hunter I’ve ever encountered.


There are plenty of traditional archers that refuse to put in the practice time and/or wait for ethical shots that are crippling and killing deer they never recover. I know because I find dead deer with arrow wounds and arrows broken off in them all the time while hunting small game with my dogs. I see plenty of wounded deer limping around after archery season as well.

I really fail to see how one guy could cause statewide antler restrictions.


Eh...wot?

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8458989
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I’m 61 and shoot a Mathew’s Lift but xbows are a wonderful tool for people to hunt with and if it gets one into the game of hunting I’m all for it .

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Lugnut] #8458996
08/23/25 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by elsmasho82
I’m not debating that crossbows are an evil tool or for the lazy.

I have simply a bad taste in my mouth about them from someone we know who continually takes less than desirable, long shots and fails to recover MULTIPLE deer each season. I single-handedly blame this person for the existence of our antler restrictions. He’s a friend of the family but one of the lousiest examples of a fair chase hunter I’ve ever encountered.


There are plenty of traditional archers that refuse to put in the practice time and/or wait for ethical shots that are crippling and killing deer they never recover. I know because I find dead deer with arrow wounds and arrows broken off in them all the time while hunting small game with my dogs. I see plenty of wounded deer limping around after archery season as well.

I really fail to see how one guy could cause statewide antler restrictions.


Of course I’m not talking literal.
And you’re prob right about any weapon and lack of practice.

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8459000
08/23/25 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
Originally Posted by Raghorn67
Considering that the crossbow has been around in rudimentary fashion since 200-400 years before Christ. And the compound bow has only been breathing since the mid 60's . I'd say the crossbow has earned a spot in the woods.

That said, the majority of compound shooters have their bows equipped with the latest and greatest gear known to man. Kisser button,peep sight or some other device to hit the same anchor point with every draw. Probably 99% or more compound bow shooters are using a mechanical release that is, you guessed it trigger activated. And have somewhere between 65 & 80% let off.

What I don't see very often is someone that shoots a compound bow that can shoot a bare compound bow or stick bow. But stick bow/bare bow shooters can typically pick up one of those tricked out compound bows and be shooting good in short order.

I shot a Pronghorn Longbow for 30+ years until my shoulders would no longer allow it.
Now I shoot a crossbow. Not the top of the line, maybe not even middle of the pack. It's sighted in for 20 thru 50 yards. I shoot no further than 30-40 yards max at an animal and hunt on the ground,which most compound shooters have no clue how to do. There's no need to shoot further. The funny thing is that I run into people now and again that shoot crossbows and never hear about them trying to launch an arrow at a deer 100 yards out. I hear about it a lot from compound shooters. I always ask them why. And always get the same stupid look from them as they reply with "well I did it at home last month". Gotta shine that ego up before firearms season when they take their 6.5 Needmore out and send bullets 800 yards down range at a deer.

The crossbow has absolutely nothing over a compound bow in f p.s., more effective range or any other advantages.
For most people that shoot a crossbow, they're just trying to fill the freezer. Unlike most compound shooters that trade up every couple years to the latest and greatest bow on the market that are only after bragging rights about how much they have tied up in their bow.

I will take a crossbow over a compound bow anytime.


You need to reread my op. I never said crossbows have no place, I said they have no place in an ARCHERY season. You say they have no more effective range or speed than a compound. Maybe for some. But my 7 yo kid stacked bolts in a two inch group at 60 yards the first time he shot it.
You conclude there " isn't any other advantage " while totally ignoring the fact you don't need to draw the cross gun while game is present, you don't need to hold the bow back while waiting for an animal to present a shot, you can have a solid rest while aiming, and you have a scope and magnification. In what world do you hunt that these aren't advantages?? I haven't seen anyone on this thread be able to counter those points. Instead they say there's no difference without giving any qualification to that opinion. So... at least I have facts to back up my opinion.
Also, some on here say there's zero difference but quickly point out that they've shot most of their deer with a bow. If there's no more skill needed for a bow why point that out? But Thanks for reinforcing the point I'm making....


I think that's pretty awesome that you're kid picked up a crossbow and made groups that good on his first attempt.
That's a huge confidence boost for a young hunter.
Don't be mad because your young'un out shot you. Lol

Did you let him/her hunt the regular archery season or did you practice what you preach and make them hunt muzzleloader or firearms season ?

I agree that a crossbow is already drawn when the movie starts. But you must still be able to shoulder a crossbow without being busted. It don't magically levitate into place totally inconspicuous to a deer.

A crossbow also weighs considerably more than a compound bow. Your arm is going to tire in a minute or two unless you have some sort of rest. Just like it will holding a compound at full draw.

I'm not sure what pin movement you have to contend with on your bow, but it don't sound good
Most compound hunters use a single pin out to 50 yards. And use more to shoot beyond their level of skill.

Most people shooting crossbow tend to keep the magnification on the scopes on the lower end of the spectrum because most of the scopes that come in a crossbow kit are junk. And most people aren't going to spend a fortune on a good crossbow scope. They're insanely priced !

There are also reasonably priced sights available for a compound bow that compensate for angle when in a tree
I don't think I know a single compound bow hunter that don't use them.

I don't know a single bow hunter that don't have a rangefinder around their neck when they hit the woods.
Outside of a couple of my stick bow shooting friends.

Any way about it, any hunter that has any pride in himself spends the time to practice. Be it a stick bow, compound,crossbow,atladl.

Hunt what you want and stick together with the other hunters. Everything we do is under scrutiny from the anti's

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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8459001
08/23/25 10:19 AM
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First deer I took with my crossbow was close 10 yards maybe less, the thing that impressed me about the crossbow was the penetrating power it had finding the deer was no issue 30 yards piled up. Finding the arrow was harder because after going in behind the ribs and coming out behind the shoulder it went into the gravel almost to the fletchings on the edge of a trail. Never seen penetration like that ever with my compound but with a crossbow it seems common.

If I can I’ll use my Mathew’s this year just what I prefer since I’m in America I have a choice. LOL


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Why archery?, y'all like making things harder on yourselves?, Why did the Indians abandon bow and arrows once they discovered rifles,?, lol

It's become an elitest attitude, like dry fly fisherman, Frankly I think it mostly to reduce competition for "their" big one, as for crossbows lose more deer, BS...These "archery" guys around here lose more deer then they take...and this is an archery only area. You want to hunt with a stick?, knock yourselves out, you want to kill deer, use the most efficient means possible. Yes, theres some very good archery hunters, just doesn't make you better than any other style, and trust me there's also a lot of bad archery guys...

Use what's legal and you're good with, don't go knocking people that don't agree with you.....and, I don't own a crossbow, and can't draw a regular bow, why should I be cut out of hunting deer?

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The only time you can hunt with a crossbow here in Montana is rifle season, and why would you do that?? I hope it stays that way, using one isn’t really archery hunting.


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Last year in early october, I had hernia surgery. Therefore I was limited to a 20lb weight restriction, which basically grounded me from bowhunting for the first time in 40 years. My friend offered me his crossbow (Ravin 500) for a week that he would be away, I accepted. I made a ground blind with a 2x4 to rest the bow on while shooting vs tree stands which I always hunt from. Well, the deer appeared and I put the crosshairs on the sweet spot at 20yds and pulled the trigger. It was a weird feeling, for the first time ever, I didnt see the arrow fly, nor where it hit the deer, just the deer run off. I could only hope that I hit where I aimed, another weird feeling. It was a perfect heart shot, and the deer managed to make 100yds to my surprise.

My overall experience was not exciting or challenging and left me with an incomplete feeling about the hunt. If I were purely a meat hunter a crossbow would fit, but I feel like I need more from a hunt. Not that I'm a trophy hunter by any means. But I like the anticipation of a deer coming within my bow range, which for me is under 30yds. When deer are outside my range, I accept that as the way it is. Archery hunting isnt suppose to be easy. To me, its more about getting outdoors and enjoying everything the woods has to offer. The quicker I harvest a deer, the less time I have to enjoy everything.

One thing I see with crossbow hunters I know. Is they thing these things can easily shoot 100yds, and take the shot!! Not knowing if or where they hit a deer since they cant see the arrow fly. I've helped track more wounded crossbow deer lately, than compound bow shots. Simply because they think their shooting some king of sniper rifle that cant miss long distance shots.

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Patrice] #8459014
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Originally Posted by Patrice
I am concerned that some people view bow hunting as merely a competitive sport, and anything that makes it more difficult and challenging somehow makes it more worthy or admirable. I completely disagree. Hunting is a heritage activity and for my part, cleanly harvesting an animal is more important than anything else. I have first place trophies and plaques for competitive compound bow shooting, but when I go out the door into the woods here, I will use the most effective weapon I can - either a crossbow or a rifle, depending on the season. I don't need to add any degree of difficulty to my hunt. I will take in my surroundings and appreciate my woods, and take a deer effectively when the opportunity presents itself, and then process that deer and make wonderful things with the meat.

I am sick to death of hearing about neighbors trying to track their deer because of bow shooting mistakes or mishaps. I don't care how a hunter harvests a deer, as long as it's accurate, effective and humane. If you are less than expert with with a compound bow (or an other more challenging type of bow), don't practice on deer.

Effective and responsible killing in the woods. Sports and competition elsewhere. That's my take on it.

Patrice


Well stated, Patrice.


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