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Re: Legality of suppressors [Re: bowhunter27295] #8463601
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
From what I read, the tax stamp for suppressors was set to $0. I also read that means they are not under taxable control so requiring their registration is unconstitutional. This sets up a fight as related to the $0 mandate for the ACA.

Anybody got any other latest info on this fight? I look forward to the day I can go into a gun store and purchase one off the shelf.



I only shoot once. Its still saving your hearing and not going to bother as many people.

Yes it gose to 0$ Jan 1 but expect the system to crash with the overload it will get. The fight is just starting. When dems get back in charge if the fight is not won yet they may inflation adjust the 200$ stamp to nearly 5 k. I won't bank on anything one way or another.

Post of impact shift depends on the rifle suppressor combo. Some shift a lot others not at all but its repeatable ie the same . But once you shoot with a suppressor you will quickly realize you won't ever want to shoot without one so its irrelevant.

Someone said something about first round pop. that is common on mono core designs but host also makes a difference. One of my 22 suppressors has a lot of frist round pop on a pistol but none on a rifle. several other cans i have have zero first round pop on anything.

Have 2 new ones paid for at the gun shop now. To much back and forth with the silincer shop thing that was supposed to be easy. not waiting on January for one may on the other but then again probably not.

Been shooting suppressed since 2011.

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Re: Legality of suppressors [Re: Line Jumper] #8463604
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A .22 suppressed with the correct sub sonic ammo is pretty movie quiet.

i.e. - Aguila subs are quiet. Remington subs are not quiet. You need to get the FPS less than the sound barrier for quiet. The real quiet ones may not work the slide.



Originally Posted by Line Jumper
I have one on a ruger American in 308 and a 10-22, both Bannish, I feel I still need hearing protection with the 308, but the 22 is noticeably quieter. It’s not like the movies folks.


Re: Legality of suppressors [Re: bowhunter27295] #8463613
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Even with the permit fee being zero, filling out the forms still give the gov a permit record of where the "nasty" firearm owners are, so when administrations change and things go to H in a handbag again and they then become prohibited and the powers to be say turn in or go to jail they know where to go looking. As long as the cost of the permit is zero should be no problem if a DIY'er makes their own except the Gov doesn't know who has what and that is the reason the gov want people to file the form 1 or form 4.
Have seen some suppressors that worked exceptionally well and others that were more like muzzle breaks, rifle report louder than a bare barrel. With some subsonic ammo pellets guns are louder and some rifles don't get complete cycle, with standard velocity ammo and high velocity you hear the Crack of projectile breaking sound barrier not the actual firing of the round, which makes it difficult to determine where shot originated.

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Re: Legality of suppressors [Re: bowhunter27295] #8463704
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Here's an article by silencer central that answers most question.

Appears there's going to be a class action lawsuit challenging the NFA

https://silencerco.com/blog/no-more-200-tax-stamps-for-suppressors

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Re: Legality of suppressors [Re: bowhunter27295] #8463832
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Not every deer runs after a shot is fired. I have killed a buck on two occasions and had another buck step into the field beside the dead buck. Seen it many times with doe deer.

Some deer are confused at first. Of course, no noise at all is preferred to any type of gun noise.

Re: Legality of suppressors [Re: Jingles] #8463841
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Originally Posted by Jingles
Even with the permit fee being zero, filling out the forms still give the gov a permit record of where the "nasty" firearm owners are, so when administrations change and things go to H in a handbag again and they then become prohibited and the powers to be say turn in or go to jail they know where to go looking. As long as the cost of the permit is zero should be no problem if a DIY'er makes their own except the Gov doesn't know who has what and that is the reason the gov want people to file the form 1 or form 4.
Have seen some suppressors that worked exceptionally well and others that were more like muzzle breaks, rifle report louder than a bare barrel. With some subsonic ammo pellets guns are louder and some rifles don't get complete cycle, with standard velocity ammo and high velocity you hear the Crack of projectile breaking sound barrier not the actual firing of the round, which makes it difficult to determine where shot originated.



All of my semi autos cycle standard velocity ammo. No need to buy anything marketed subsonic or suppressor. All standard velocity is subsonic.

All .22 amo is subsonic out of my Ruger Mark 2. had it cut off at 4.25" so no ammo gets enough powder burn to break the speed of sound. [Linked Image]


If you think 4473 dont get keep as well as background check records your kidding yourself. Not long after every shooting they know exactly what model the gun was and where it was purchased.

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Re: Legality of suppressors [Re: charles] #8463852
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Originally Posted by charles
Not every deer runs after a shot is fired. I have killed a buck on two occasions and had another buck step into the field beside the dead buck. Seen it many times with doe deer.

Some deer are confused at first. Of course, no noise at all is preferred to any type of gun noise.


Dumbest I ever saw I spotted me shifting shoulders to shoot around the tree I was in. He took two hops stopped to get a second look. I snap shot right over his back. He took two more hops and stopped for a third look. I didn't miss that time.

Joke was on me because he dropped, kicked, and rolled off the ridge and didn't stop rolling until I heard him splash in the creek a hundred feet below.


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Re: Legality of suppressors [Re: Beachtree] #8463881
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Originally Posted by Beachtree
The wait time for one was not what I expected, was very quick.


The last 1 I ordered took less than a month. It came with a trust set up.

The 1st one took 11 months

It only took a week or so to get the approval. The rest was filling out forms and getting it sent when the approval came


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Re: Legality of suppressors [Re: bowhunter27295] #8463921
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If im ever to get the final signing done so my next one can be sent off i will let you know on time frame on a trust. Girl i just spoke with said she had one just come back in 4 days on trust and it surprised her. I and hoping within 2 weeks. Its for my 15 year olds 350 legend and I hope to get it back before the last weekend of the month youth deer.

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
If im ever to get the final signing done so my next one can be sent off i will let you know on time frame on a trust. Girl i just spoke with said she had one just come back in 4 days on trust and it surprised her. I and hoping within 2 weeks. Its for my 15 year olds 350 legend and I hope to get it back before the last weekend of the month youth deer.



I have had them take 8 months to 16 months in the past.

Re: Legality of suppressors [Re: Providence Farm] #8463993
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
If im ever to get the final signing done so my next one can be sent off i will let you know on time frame on a trust. Girl i just spoke with said she had one just come back in 4 days on trust and it surprised her. I and hoping within 2 weeks. Its for my 15 year olds 350 legend and I hope to get it back before the last weekend of the month youth deer.



Looked it up, I ordered mine July 3rd, July 23rd it was in my hand with a trust.

Linejumper, if your 22 isn't shooting movie quiet with a can it's because of the ammo

With my Begara and subsonic ammo the only thing I hear is the firing pin and the round hitting the target.


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Re: Legality of suppressors [Re: bowhunter27295] #8464225
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I looked up how long it took the atf on the last one 9 days from submittal to approval. With a trust


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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
If im ever to get the final signing done so my next one can be sent off i will let you know on time frame on a trust. Girl i just spoke with said she had one just come back in 4 days on trust and it surprised her. I and hoping within 2 weeks. Its for my 15 year olds 350 legend and I hope to get it back before the last weekend of the month youth deer.



Looked it up, I ordered mine July 3rd, July 23rd it was in my hand with a trust.

Linejumper, if your 22 isn't shooting movie quiet with a can it's because of the ammo

With my Begara and subsonic ammo the only thing I hear is the firing pin and the round hitting the target.



Thanks 49er, I bought some ammo I know is sub sonic but haven’t tried it yet. I didn’t think the bulk pack federal stuff was super sonic but I guess it is.

Re: Legality of suppressors [Re: charles] #8464402
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Originally Posted by charles
Not every deer runs after a shot is fired. I have killed a buck on two occasions and had another buck step into the field beside the dead buck. Seen it many times with doe deer.

Some deer are confused at first. Of course, no noise at all is preferred to any type of gun noise.

Inside a home (self defense), suppressed firearms are great to have. Without it, the noise can be deafening.

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Line jumper you want ammo that's about 1050fps or less to stay subsonic. generally any standard velocity is subsonic. They sell some around 750fps that very quiet but the drop makes me stay with standard velocities.

Just sent that form 4 off with slincer shop tonight close to 8 pm

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any bulk ammo with a 36gr bullet will be 1200-1240fps generally , making it supersonic

ammo advertised as Standard velocity 40 gr will be about 1070fps and at most altitudes will be sub sonic

the actual sub sonic ammo will generally be 1050fps and 40gr

the quite at 750fps 40gr and the quiet semi auto 850fps 45gr as pointed out have a bunch of extra drop

I like this stuff for my coon line https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1301163351
I don't even have a suppressor yet , it does not crack as sharp even in a regular unsuppressed gun
the reason I like it is that it A works and B is as close to CCI standard velocity as I can get in a hollow point.

if I could just get a brick of hollow point CCI standard velocity I would but they don't make it


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Green county i think that's what my boys guns are sighted in with. Can't remember if it said subsonic or SV. I also like the segment hp at the same velocity when I can find them. Very devastating.

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