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On the grounds of mental disorder disqualification Trump would be correct. looking down and seeing a Johnson and believe your a girl is definitely a mental disorder that needs treatment.
The law says one must have been adjudicated mentally defective (by a judge) or committed to a mental institution. That clearly cannot be willy-nilly applied to a whole class of people. Congress is, of course, free to change the law if they want. But then they'd be on the record as being anti 2a, so they won't.
It doesn't matter if tranny behavior is labeled as a mental illness. That's not how the law works. You can be bipolar, for example, and still purchase a gun, as long as you haven't been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to a mental institution. Simply having a mental illness doesn't disqualify someone from owning a gun under current law.
If the executive can just declare that an entire group of people's can't own guns....how do you think that'll go next time a Democrat is in office?
(None of this should be a surprise, of course, coming from the president that's on camera talking about wanting to take guns first and go through due process second, while sitting right next to his AG.)
Now go ahead and tell me how supporting the 2a=TDS.
I am sure you have been to a grocery store and seen a child crying in line wanting candy while the parent is trying to check out. So to distract the child, parents will do other things like jingling the keys.
Get that hook out of your mouth.
How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
The law says one must have been adjudicated mentally defective (by a judge) or committed to a mental institution. That clearly cannot be willy-nilly applied to a whole class of people. Congress is, of course, free to change the law if they want. But then they'd be on the record as being anti 2a, so they won't.
It doesn't matter if tranny behavior is labeled as a mental illness. That's not how the law works. You can be bipolar, for example, and still purchase a gun, as long as you haven't been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to a mental institution. Simply having a mental illness doesn't disqualify someone from owning a gun under current law.
If the executive can just declare that an entire group of people's can't own guns....how do you think that'll go next time a Democrat is in office?
(None of this should be a surprise, of course, coming from the president that's on camera talking about wanting to take guns first and go through due process second, while sitting right next to his AG.)
Now go ahead and tell me how supporting the 2a=TDS.
Red flag laws don't follow those protocols.
Re: Defending the 2A
[Re: Yes sir]
#8464190 09/05/2510:19 AM09/05/2510:19 AM
The law says one must have been adjudicated mentally defective (by a judge) or committed to a mental institution. That clearly cannot be willy-nilly applied to a whole class of people. Congress is, of course, free to change the law if they want. But then they'd be on the record as being anti 2a, so they won't.
It doesn't matter if tranny behavior is labeled as a mental illness. That's not how the law works. You can be bipolar, for example, and still purchase a gun, as long as you haven't been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to a mental institution. Simply having a mental illness doesn't disqualify someone from owning a gun under current law.
If the executive can just declare that an entire group of people's can't own guns....how do you think that'll go next time a Democrat is in office?
(None of this should be a surprise, of course, coming from the president that's on camera talking about wanting to take guns first and go through due process second, while sitting right next to his AG.)
Now go ahead and tell me how supporting the 2a=TDS.
Red flag laws don't follow those protocols.
Yup. And they're unconstitutional too. And we should all be opposed to them just like this.
(BTW, Trump was supporting red flag laws when he said to take the guns first and give due process later. That's what that whole conversation was about).
The lefts game for years has been putting the right on the defense and it's been pretty effective as they have been gaining ground. Trump is reversing the strategy. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense.
Re: Defending the 2A
[Re: Yes sir]
#8464192 09/05/2510:24 AM09/05/2510:24 AM
The lefts game for years has been putting the right on the defense and it's been pretty effective as they have been gaining ground. Trump is reversing the strategy. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense.
You get it ys.
How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
Compromise only works when u are asking for more than you hope to get. We've been losing because we are just trying to hold the ground we have instead of asking for more. Its the art of let's make deal. Leverage ur position.
"The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) has again handed President Donald Trump an even bleaker set of jobs numbers, just one month after he fired the agency's commissioner over weak employment data.
On Friday morning, the BLS reported that nonfarm payroll employment rose by only 22,000 in August. Analysts had forecast the economy adding 75,000 jobs during the month. According to the agency, gains made in health care were offset by losses in federal government employment, as well as mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction.
While July's figures were revised up to 79,000 from 73,000, June's numbers were revised down by 27,000, dropping from 14,000 to negative 13,000. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate edged up to 4.3 percent from 4.2 percent."
The law says one must have been adjudicated mentally defective (by a judge) or committed to a mental institution. That clearly cannot be willy-nilly applied to a whole class of people. Congress is, of course, free to change the law if they want. But then they'd be on the record as being anti 2a, so they won't.
It doesn't matter if tranny behavior is labeled as a mental illness. That's not how the law works. You can be bipolar, for example, and still purchase a gun, as long as you haven't been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to a mental institution. Simply having a mental illness doesn't disqualify someone from owning a gun under current law.
If the executive can just declare that an entire group of people's can't own guns....how do you think that'll go next time a Democrat is in office?
(None of this should be a surprise, of course, coming from the president that's on camera talking about wanting to take guns first and go through due process second, while sitting right next to his AG.)
Now go ahead and tell me how supporting the 2a=TDS.
It’s a joke meant to trigger people with TDS.
An old man roaming the Rockies
Re: Defending the 2A
[Re: Dirt]
#8464197 09/05/2510:35 AM09/05/2510:35 AM
"The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) has again handed President Donald Trump an even bleaker set of jobs numbers, just one month after he fired the agency's commissioner over weak employment data.
On Friday morning, the BLS reported that nonfarm payroll employment rose by only 22,000 in August. Analysts had forecast the economy adding 75,000 jobs during the month. According to the agency, gains made in health care were offset by losses in federal government employment, as well as mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction.
While July's figures were revised up to 79,000 from 73,000, June's numbers were revised down by 27,000, dropping from 14,000 to negative 13,000. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate edged up to 4.3 percent from 4.2 percent."
Newsweek
And this has what to do with the topic of the 2A???
The law says one must have been adjudicated mentally defective (by a judge) or committed to a mental institution. That clearly cannot be willy-nilly applied to a whole class of people. Congress is, of course, free to change the law if they want. But then they'd be on the record as being anti 2a, so they won't.
It doesn't matter if tranny behavior is labeled as a mental illness. That's not how the law works. You can be bipolar, for example, and still purchase a gun, as long as you haven't been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to a mental institution. Simply having a mental illness doesn't disqualify someone from owning a gun under current law.
If the executive can just declare that an entire group of people's can't own guns....how do you think that'll go next time a Democrat is in office?
(None of this should be a surprise, of course, coming from the president that's on camera talking about wanting to take guns first and go through due process second, while sitting right next to his AG.)
Now go ahead and tell me how supporting the 2a=TDS.
"The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) has again handed President Donald Trump an even bleaker set of jobs numbers, just one month after he fired the agency's commissioner over weak employment data.
On Friday morning, the BLS reported that nonfarm payroll employment rose by only 22,000 in August. Analysts had forecast the economy adding 75,000 jobs during the month. According to the agency, gains made in health care were offset by losses in federal government employment, as well as mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction.
While July's figures were revised up to 79,000 from 73,000, June's numbers were revised down by 27,000, dropping from 14,000 to negative 13,000. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate edged up to 4.3 percent from 4.2 percent."
Newsweek
And this has what to do with the topic of the 2A???
Apparently the bait was not attractive.
Who is John Galt?
Re: Defending the 2A
[Re: Dirt]
#8464204 09/05/2510:40 AM09/05/2510:40 AM
"The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) has again handed President Donald Trump an even bleaker set of jobs numbers, just one month after he fired the agency's commissioner over weak employment data.
On Friday morning, the BLS reported that nonfarm payroll employment rose by only 22,000 in August. Analysts had forecast the economy adding 75,000 jobs during the month. According to the agency, gains made in health care were offset by losses in federal government employment, as well as mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction.
While July's figures were revised up to 79,000 from 73,000, June's numbers were revised down by 27,000, dropping from 14,000 to negative 13,000. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate edged up to 4.3 percent from 4.2 percent."
Newsweek
You accuse people of not answering question correctly.
Ever heard of the concept of staying on topic. This has nothing to do with trannies and the 2A.
Does that hook hurt?
How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
The law says one must have been adjudicated mentally defective (by a judge) or committed to a mental institution. That clearly cannot be willy-nilly applied to a whole class of people. Congress is, of course, free to change the law if they want. But then they'd be on the record as being anti 2a, so they won't.
It doesn't matter if tranny behavior is labeled as a mental illness. That's not how the law works. You can be bipolar, for example, and still purchase a gun, as long as you haven't been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to a mental institution. Simply having a mental illness doesn't disqualify someone from owning a gun under current law.
If the executive can just declare that an entire group of people's can't own guns....how do you think that'll go next time a Democrat is in office?
(None of this should be a surprise, of course, coming from the president that's on camera talking about wanting to take guns first and go through due process second, while sitting right next to his AG.)
Now go ahead and tell me how supporting the 2a=TDS.
It’s a joke meant to trigger people with TDS.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!
How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
Re: Defending the 2A
[Re: Dirt]
#8464206 09/05/2510:41 AM09/05/2510:41 AM
"The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) has again handed President Donald Trump an even bleaker set of jobs numbers, just one month after he fired the agency's commissioner over weak employment data.
On Friday morning, the BLS reported that nonfarm payroll employment rose by only 22,000 in August. Analysts had forecast the economy adding 75,000 jobs during the month. According to the agency, gains made in health care were offset by losses in federal government employment, as well as mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction.
While July's figures were revised up to 79,000 from 73,000, June's numbers were revised down by 27,000, dropping from 14,000 to negative 13,000. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate edged up to 4.3 percent from 4.2 percent."
Newsweek
Mods i request he get a vacation for politics outside of the 2A topic.... At least remove the post for. Intentional attempt at derailing a 2A thread
What anyone with a brain realizes is this can go nowhere. It won't happen.
But just saying it, fans the flames of the hateful fires the TDS sufferers live in.
This will never happen. For you folk who have lost your mind on this thread, do yo remember the quote "You are fake news!"? Do you understand why PRESIDENT TRUMPITO said this?
Truly a mental disorder. You're getting played like pianos and can't help yourselves.
But keep talking. PLEASE!
How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
I believe we should all have guns , government getting into picking and choosing who is where government gets into trouble and unconstitutional begins.
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
I believe we should all have guns , government getting into picking and choosing who is where government gets into trouble and unconstitutional begins.
Of course
"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
The law says one must have been adjudicated mentally defective (by a judge) or committed to a mental institution. That clearly cannot be willy-nilly applied to a whole class of people. Congress is, of course, free to change the law if they want. But then they'd be on the record as being anti 2a, so they won't.
It doesn't matter if tranny behavior is labeled as a mental illness. That's not how the law works. You can be bipolar, for example, and still purchase a gun, as long as you haven't been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to a mental institution. Simply having a mental illness doesn't disqualify someone from owning a gun under current law.
If the executive can just declare that an entire group of people's can't own guns....how do you think that'll go next time a Democrat is in office?
(None of this should be a surprise, of course, coming from the president that's on camera talking about wanting to take guns first and go through due process second, while sitting right next to his AG.)
Now go ahead and tell me how supporting the 2a=TDS.
Put the checkers away. We're playing chess here. Of course he can't do this, and he knows that better than anyone.
Simmer down there, Yes Sir, lol. While Dirt's post had nothing to do with the topic at hand as far as I can see, it wasn't political, it was economical.
I am a Marine Corps veteran, a range coach, and a hunting guide. I’m about as pro-2A as a guy can be. The idea that anyone who opposes or thinks that the current president is garbage has “TDS” or whatever other nonsense you want to call it is just crazy to me. It’s even crazier how many grown adults have decided to act like children by being generally mean, if not downright hateful, just to “own the libs”. Do you even know any of these “libs” or are you just being a jerk?
The law says one must have been adjudicated mentally defective (by a judge) or committed to a mental institution. That clearly cannot be willy-nilly applied to a whole class of people. Congress is, of course, free to change the law if they want. But then they'd be on the record as being anti 2a, so they won't.
It doesn't matter if tranny behavior is labeled as a mental illness. That's not how the law works. You can be bipolar, for example, and still purchase a gun, as long as you haven't been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to a mental institution. Simply having a mental illness doesn't disqualify someone from owning a gun under current law.
If the executive can just declare that an entire group of people's can't own guns....how do you think that'll go next time a Democrat is in office?
(None of this should be a surprise, of course, coming from the president that's on camera talking about wanting to take guns first and go through due process second, while sitting right next to his AG.)
Now go ahead and tell me how supporting the 2a=TDS.
Just like red flag laws are not constitutional. Will this go anywhere absolutely not but its funny to think about the left defending gun rights.
I am a Marine Corps veteran, a range coach, and a hunting guide. I’m about as pro-2A as a guy can be. The idea that anyone who opposes or thinks that the current president is garbage has “TDS” or whatever other nonsense you want to call it is just crazy to me. It’s even crazier how many grown adults have decided to act like children by being generally mean, if not downright hateful, just to “own the libs”. Do you even know any of these “libs” or are you just being a jerk?
Yes I know some and a couple of them well. The rest are easy to spot- mostly high strung women and overly emotional men. They are especially easy to spot each and every time Donald J. Trump is mentioned...
What"s good for me may not be good for the weak minded. Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
True, but is the criteria regarding mental health reflected in the questions on the ATF form 4473 law actually passed by congress or is it regulation crafted by BATFE? Perhaps you know but I don't. If it is just regulation Trump can drive a change providing it doesn't conflict with the law. In any case, what Trump has done is keep focus on how mental health screening is being done in the NICS process. I see that as a good thing because the current process is obviously not working to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill intent on murder.
Re: Defending the 2A
[Re: EdP]
#8464592 Yesterday at08:38 AMYesterday at08:38 AM
True, but is the criteria regarding mental health reflected in the questions on the ATF form 4473 law actually passed by congress or is it regulation crafted by BATFE? Perhaps you know but I don't. If it is just regulation Trump can drive a change providing it doesn't conflict with the law. In any case, what Trump has done is keep focus on how mental health screening is being done in the NICS process. I see that as a good thing because the current process is obviously not working to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill intent on murder.
Don't buy into what it looks like you are. All good roads are paved with good intentions and all.
Problem is who decided what's acceptable and what's not. Don't believe everything the government says, dont want to be forced to take a shot or close your business or waer a mask. No guns for you.. Only approved thought people can have them.
watch what you ask for you won't like it when the left is in charge and it gets flipped on you and yours. Unless you believe the government knows best and you believe the crap that's pushed
I am a Marine Corps veteran, a range coach, and a hunting guide. I’m about as pro-2A as a guy can be. The idea that anyone who opposes or thinks that the current president is garbage has “TDS” or whatever other nonsense you want to call it is just crazy to me. It’s even crazier how many grown adults have decided to act like children by being generally mean, if not downright hateful, just to “own the libs”. Do you even know any of these “libs” or are you just being a jerk?
The libs I know are nice but they would take away the right to defend oneself in a heartbeat. The TDS sufferers would complain if Trump cured cancer....
The point isn't what I a may or may not be "buying in to," but rather that the NICS process isn't working as intended with regard to mental health issues. The recent violence by trans (Audrey Hale, Robert Westman, etc) are just examples, the 2009 Fort Hood shooter, Nidal Hisan, is another. The process needs a hard look and hopefully with get it.
Re: Defending the 2A
[Re: EdP]
#8464610 Yesterday at09:08 AMYesterday at09:08 AM
The point isn't what I a may or may not be "buying in to," but rather that the NICS process isn't working as intended with regard to mental health issues. The recent violence by trans (Audrey Hale, Robert Westman, etc) are just examples, the 2009 Fort Hood shooter, Nidal Hisan, is another. The process needs a hard look and hopefully with get it.
It was never set up to and never will stop violent crime. But as your examples point out Trans people are clearly in crisis and seem to be easy to influence and have a severe mental issue. And why I think it should qualify as a no sale under the current 4473 ?s.
But I prefer we go back to mail order guns to my door like it should be
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Not saying I agree or disagree with the idea, HOWEVER, it could open up a Pandoras box that results in other mental disorders to being banned from gun ownership. Not saying trannyism is or is not a mental Disorder ,at least not here, what happens when they say anxiety is a mental disorder, or a phobia is a mental disorder, snakes, heights, crowds, or when they say anyone with PTSD is mentally unstable and should be banned from gun ownership? How many vets, police, or other first responders that suffer from PTSD are suddenly banned from gun ownership? Where will it stop?
The job of a Patriot is not to protect his country but to protect the people from the tryannical government
Re: Defending the 2A
[Re: Jingles]
#8464624 Yesterday at09:41 AMYesterday at09:41 AM
Not saying I agree or disagree with the idea, HOWEVER, it could open up a Pandoras box that results in other mental disorders to being banned from gun ownership. Not saying trannyism is or is not a mental Disorder ,at least not here, what happens when they say anxiety is a mental disorder, or a phobia is a mental disorder, snakes, heights, crowds, or when they say anyone with PTSD is mentally unstable and should be banned from gun ownership? How many vets, police, or other first responders that suffer from PTSD are suddenly banned from gun ownership? Where will it stop?
Exactly 100% nailed it.
Only solution Isee is get more people armed and trained so shooters get taken out quickly and effectively every time.
How many mass shootings occurred before and after the closure of state nervous hospitals? The firearm is not the problem but the treatment methods for the mentally ill is the problem.
Simmer down there, Yes Sir, lol. While Dirt's post had nothing to do with the topic at hand as far as I can see, it wasn't political, it was economical.
Actually, I think that was the news that Trump was trying to distract from?
Who is John Galt?
Re: Defending the 2A
[Re: Yes sir]
#8464634 Yesterday at09:58 AMYesterday at09:58 AM
"The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) has again handed President Donald Trump an even bleaker set of jobs numbers, just one month after he fired the agency's commissioner over weak employment data.
On Friday morning, the BLS reported that nonfarm payroll employment rose by only 22,000 in August. Analysts had forecast the economy adding 75,000 jobs during the month. According to the agency, gains made in health care were offset by losses in federal government employment, as well as mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction.
While July's figures were revised up to 79,000 from 73,000, June's numbers were revised down by 27,000, dropping from 14,000 to negative 13,000. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate edged up to 4.3 percent from 4.2 percent."
Newsweek
Mods i request he get a vacation for politics outside of the 2A topic.... At least remove the post for. Intentional attempt at derailing a 2A thread
It's actually on topic. This tranny 2A issue (which is indeed an unconstitutional concept) was floated by Dear Leader as a distraction from the abysmal economic data that Dirt posted, other bad economic data, and, don't forget, the Epstein list.
Re: Defending the 2A
[Re: J Staton]
#8464638 Yesterday at10:06 AMYesterday at10:06 AM
How many mass shootings occurred before and after the closure of state nervous hospitals? The firearm is not the problem but the treatment methods for the mentally ill is the problem.
I will go farther and add Social media affecting how people preceve the world around them. We are more digitally connected and have less physical interaction and communication than ever before.
Its easy for the weak minded and gullible to be nudge into action.
Re: Defending the 2A
[Re: Dirt]
#8464666 Yesterday at11:02 AMYesterday at11:02 AM
"The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) has again handed President Donald Trump an even bleaker set of jobs numbers, just one month after he fired the agency's commissioner over weak employment data.
On Friday morning, the BLS reported that nonfarm payroll employment rose by only 22,000 in August. Analysts had forecast the economy adding 75,000 jobs during the month. According to the agency, gains made in health care were offset by losses in federal government employment, as well as mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction.
While July's figures were revised up to 79,000 from 73,000, June's numbers were revised down by 27,000, dropping from 14,000 to negative 13,000. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate edged up to 4.3 percent from 4.2 percent."
Newsweek
HOLY CRAP!!! You mean 4.3 people out of 100 don't have a job!!! Oh the humanity!!!
I love when those with TDS point to something that was labeled and presented by the msm as dire and horrible and a "threat to democracy" but when numbers and facts from those msm idiots are analyzed, intelligent people laugh and shake their head at how dishonest the media is and how gullible those with TDS truly are.
Again, I am giggling and shaking my head at the same time.
Either way, PRESIDENT TRUMP is a genius in how he plays the left and TDS sufferers. I don't know which one lefties and left wing kooks hate more. Rush Limbaugh or PRESIDENT TRUMP. I absolutely love typing PRESIDENT TRUMP. It is most definitely a trigger.
My request is when anyone refers to PRESIDENT TRUMP, for your own entertainment, please type in all caps. Just to see the reaction. It is cheap quality entertainment.
How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
Re: Defending the 2A
[Re: EdP]
#8464673 Yesterday at11:22 AMYesterday at11:22 AM
True, but is the criteria regarding mental health reflected in the questions on the ATF form 4473 law actually passed by congress or is it regulation crafted by BATFE? Perhaps you know but I don't. If it is just regulation Trump can drive a change providing it doesn't conflict with the law. In any case, what Trump has done is keep focus on how mental health screening is being done in the NICS process. I see that as a good thing because the current process is obviously not working to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill intent on murder.
The 4473 doesn't ask if you have a mental illness. It asks two specific questions.
1. Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective? (Only a judge can determine this, on an individual basis.The executive branch cannot adjudicate anything, let alone declare an entire class of people mentally defective).
2. Have you ever been committed to a mental institution? (Again, this is done by a judge on an individual basis. The executive branch does not have the power to commit anyone to a mental institution).
It does not matter if you have a mental health condition, including gender dysphoria. It only matters if you've been adjudicated mentally defective or have been committed to a mental health institution.
The "all people that suffer from X mental health condition shouldn't be able to purchase a firearm" is the same reasoning used by Democrats to say all vets with PTSD shouldn't be allowed to purchase a firearm.
The 4473 doesn't ask if you have a mental illness. It asks two specific questions.
1. Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective? (Only a judge can determine this, on an individual basis.The executive branch cannot adjudicate anything, let alone declare an entire class of people mentally defective).
2. Have you ever been committed to a mental institution? (Again, this is done by a judge on an individual basis. The executive branch does not have the power to commit anyone to a mental institution).
It does not matter if you have a mental health condition, including gender dysphoria. It only matters if you've been adjudicated mentally defective or have been committed to a mental health institution.
The "all people that suffer from X mental health condition shouldn't be able to purchase a firearm" is the same reasoning used by Democrats to say all vets with PTSD shouldn't be allowed to purchase a firearm.
How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
It only matters if you've been adjudicated mentally defective or have been committed to a mental health institution.
Exactly right, and that is part of the problem. Implemented in 1998, the impact of the closure of most mental health institutions that had occured over the prior decades was not recognized. Many who walk the streets today would have been placed in institutions in the early 1980s. New criteria are needed and perhaps a deeper dive into specific groups with mental health issues (gender dysphoria, PTSD,...). That's not saying all in a particular group should be banned. That would be discriminatory, but perhaps further evaluation is justified. A time limit is still needed to prevent bureacratic abuse.
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