Haha,

Your good but tainted Bowhunter27295, freedom is a choice,

we all lose freedoms every year, what this country was founded on.

I am not sure I understand your stance on vaccines, when you

promote RFK, maybe I miss read that.?

As for me and my family, it's kinda a no nonsense deal,

we are all military in some form and are used to being in 3rd

world countries, my families Vax index is far superior than most Americans

That is a mandate for servings or being a brat
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That is the exception to the rule tho, and yes freedom is not free

Ever think about your freedom loss with the seat belt law ??

Not wearing one does not endanger your neighbor, just yourself.

Again it's a choice

You can go back and read where I stated some vaccines are stupid and need to be made completely optional. Some however are not and need to remain mandatory.

I am saying a compromise needs to be reached to be more sensible.

You however are saying no mandatory vaccines period.

Who's in what box?

To start with you stating vaccines are mandatory and so are starting off on a false pretense. There is not a single requirement for mandatory tax.

So you are infact wanting to demand other conform to your beliefs on what is good for everyone. Right or wrong is irrelevant on views if its good for everyone or not is irrelevant.

The fact is personal choice over what goes into one's body wins period. Ther is alway government creep and power grabing. Remember the attempts to make untessted and unapproved can't sue the manufacturer covid shots mandatory? Ya I knew several people thw gave in to pressure to take a shot they didn't want to keep their job. Several have heart issues not.

Sometime freedom means you have to stand up for others rights and freedoms even if you dont like what they are doing. Freedom is scary sometimes some time it can make you mad.

Sometime freedom means you have to stand up for others rights and freedoms even if you dont like what they are doing. Freedom is scary sometimes some time it can make you mad.


Exactly

I am and always have been 100% against the covid vaccine. When I heard how it was made I knew it was bupkis. The things that were done to create that vaccine were completely money driven and in no way safe. When it was legislated the drug companies could never be sued, I knew then it was gonna be a train wreck.

I am against the hep B vaccine for newborns. Totally uncalled for.

I am 100% in agreement with mandatory TB vaccine.

Do you not like how the system we have in place has kept us nearly disease free from things people in Europe and Asia and Africa die from daily? I am very thankful we had a system in place to prevent the serious diseases.

So if personal choice over what goes into one's body is a winning strategy and they choose not to get the TB vaccine, what if they get TB? Who wins then? I can promise you local, state or federal government will pay for treatments and physical monitoring for 6-9 months. If not government, it will be insurance that is paid for by the consumer. And if the person with TB does not adhere to the treatment in total, they will be incarcerated until the treatment is complete and they test negative.

I like the freedom of not having to worry about having to pay for someone else's stupidity. That is a cost of freedom.

Again, who is in what box?

And you want it to be mandatory?????????

And you want to pay for 6-9 months of mandatory post exposure treatment???????? You said this was the one you were worried about.

I know of ZERO vaccines that are 100% effective.

Have you had pre exposure rabies shots ?
Should they be mandated for trappers and ADC agents

Just wondering, you can give your wife and kids the virus

without the systems in yourself.

Just a thought is all, this whole vaccine thing is confusing

and interning, is there a vaccine for hystoplasmosis, should

Bat adc agents get it ?

Good conversation bowhunter27295, thanks

Well, if your dog is not vaccinated and gets exposed to an animal that is confirmed positive for Rabies, the dog is either held at a vets office in quarantine for 6 months at your expense or the dog is put down.

I ran the rabies program for Davidson county and cried with several people who just forgot to get their dog or cat vaccinated and had to surrender them to be put down, BY LAW.

Maybe we should put people down if they are exposed to TB or polio? Sure would make sense and save the tax payer a lot of money.

Rabies is transmitted by the saliva in the bite of an actively infected animal.

One should be able to discern the difference in what is a right and what is right. That's where both freedom and the cost of freedom occur. However I still believe it should be the individuals choice.

I don’t get why they can’t test for the amount of rabies vaccine left in the dog like they do for people. Most dogs that have been vaccinated and boosted are good for the rest of their lives. Yet they are required to get boosted every few years. $$$$ I’m guessing.

You evaded the question

As long as that freedom does not interfere with my freedoms or make the cost of my freedoms higher due to their stupidity, I agree.

Yes I am rabies vaccinated.

You are correct, once vaccinated, they are good for live just as humans

Government money deal is all

It's kind of like thinking making Fentanyl legal for freedoms sake is a good idea and does not interfere with any of my freedoms. I have watched people detox in an ER, get up and leave and have to pay nothing. It was not free, everyone knows that. But he should have the freedom to do it?

Everyone talks about let them rot or let them die and bloat. Well folks, that is not how our system works nor will it ever as long as we have hospitals and Hippocratic oaths. Someone will pay for that person with TB. Someone will pay for that junkie getting a "free" detox. Right now we all pay for these things that can be prevented or curtailed with simple acts and rules and guidelines.

But in the name of freedom, according to some, I have to pay for their right to be stupid.

Got it.

I would rather pay to prevent it. It's a whole lot cheaper.

But... vaccines aren't mandated now, Bowhunter. You keep saying you like the way our system works now. That would be without mandatory vaccines.

$5 for a rabies vaccine every three years at a rabies clinic.

That is $1.67/year. Pretty cheap if you ask me. Whole lot cheaper than titer testing for rabies efficacy after an exposure or putting a dog up at a vets office for 6 months.

While that's true, there have been and are some pretty strict consequences of choosing not to... i.e. not being able to enroll kids in school, getting fired from jobs, not being able to fly, etc.

Involuntary mandatory.

no what you want is to force your view onto others. You fail to see or at least adress simple facts and questions an keep repeating the same circle jerk.

So you ok with limited mandatory shots but only you can decide what's necessary. So how Would like it to have been 100% forced whan someone not you decided its mandatory to take that covid shots you were against.


That's the point you won't be who is making that call air will be someone like the last cdc guy.

Myself I will be on the side of personal choice. You will continue to wrap yourself in force people greater good.

That's great company you keep with that mind.set. Lots of famous people like that guy in Germany in the 30s and 40s.