There's a lot of videos out of Texas and elsewhere of Muslims beating their chests in public in some sort of mass ritual. There's a lot of videos of them blocking churches in Texas and elsewhere too.

Governor Abbot got the all Muslim community they were trying to build in Texas stopped.

I don't think any more Muslims should be allowed in the US or any other Western country. All illegal Muslims and Muslims here temporarily should be immediately deported. I believe the ones here legally should be encouraged to leave. Islam is incompatible with Western values. Muslims are a threat to us.

Keith

Seems like canada really likes them

unfortunately for us, yes.

Canada liked 'em long before the U.S did.

Keith as an Army combat Vet i have to disagree with you on some points. While i agree any illegal immigrant should be removed, if they are here legally and follow our laws, we shouldn't push em out or as you said encourage them to leave. If you look at true Muslim faith they are by and far good people, who just want to be able to follow their faith without fear. I have met a lot of Muslims in Iraq and other parts of the world where i would prefer to have them as neighbors than some of the idiots we have in America. True Muslims are not a threat to us. Heck we have bigger threats in America right now with our own than we do with Muslims, and i am talking true Muslims not those radical extremist idiots. Just like any other religion, nowhere in our world do we have time for extremists i do not care what religion it is. Perfect example, when i was in Iraq my first tour, a family saved a friend of mines life, At the cost of the father's life and the daughter was mutilated, we went to the wife and thanked her and tried to help her and the rest of her family and we were told it's what everyone should do, protect the ones you can. Now fast forward to 8 months ago i was broke down on the side of the road and couldn't get cell signal. I was miles from a town and a guy stopped " i thought to help", he must have thought he could scare me LOL. He wanted to know how much money i have until i took my jacket off and he seen my pistol on my side. He took off and i was stuck there almost 8 hours before someone stopped and was able to help me. No religion, ethnicity, group of people are without morons in this world

We can do without Muslims and their little book of deception. It’s better to get rid of them early rather than watch us become like England…totally lost.

I saw a video that the guy said their population is growing and ours isn't and it wont be long before everyone will be living Sharia... he went on to say that its the same us as moving here with the native Americans, once there were so many of us what were they going to do? That's what the video said... I think it was Canadian and he was talking about the muslim population in canada. Anyway, kinda crazy.

The beating of the chest is not just a Muslim ritual. It is and old Jewish trudition, and has been adopted by Catholics and some Christians as a form of sorrow, mourning, or repentance This is from the book of Luke
chapter 18 Red letter version.

You bring up some valid points that I have heard from others that were there. My biggest experience with muzzies was when going to gun school in Trinidad CO in the 70's .The was a group of them who sexually assalted one one the local girls. Being that Trinidad is predominately Mexican decsent folks, she had lots of cousins who taught those boys some manners. So the muzzies got all up and had one of their protests. Being a bunch of young gunnies we lined up and before we could take care of business the police accademy that Trindad St. had, got between us. Before that I would give a nod saying howdy passing by but they just look at you like you are scum, some girls reall pretty , try saying HI same thing You Amerrican scum while they study engineering and English. Look at down at me mine we'll see what happpens and who is the standing looking down. Any way the cops weren't around all the time, we never killed none but we did make a might uncomfy for them. I don't want hem around, haven't met a good one. The way of helping the unfortunate and protecting guests is good but no matter what book it came from most folks fall short

Quoting Bill Maher, "The difference between Muslims and Christians is Christians don't kill you if you don't convert to their religion."

Sharia Law is part of radical Islam.

You might start to change my mind about them when the "good" ones start actively fighting the extremists (true believers) in the countries they have fled to.

Then let these good muslims reform the leaders of their faith, the Imams, and maybe we could get along.

MTtraps i'm not defending all muslims but can i ask if they were white, mexican, black, or any other religion besides muslim would you do the same thing? So because of all the catholic priests that have molested children should we ban catholocism? it does not matter race religion or anything there is bad in every group. Humans on a whole are worthless LOL. What is hilarious to me is i spent over 5 years fighting them and i am the one defending them.... Ask most any vet and they would view this as the same thing. Maybe people should start thinking about that.

okay teepee2 how about we as americans with that kind of comment put our money where our mouths are, how much crime corruption, rape, murder, molestation, do we have in our country? We are far from perfect. and everyone here is talking about extremeist muslims NOT TRUE Muslims. your comment is whats wrong with people on the whole in my opinion. That type of comment is the same as that man who recently murdered the girl on the subway train and while she bled out AMERICANS who were on the train didn't even bother to help the young lady they just ignored it. I am an American and that truly made me disgusted with our own society, anyone who thinks otherwise on that scenario doesn't even need to bother messaging me because differently on that i have no desire to even speak with em

????

Not true Muslims???? Have you ever read the Koran?

There was a business in my area owned by some Muslims. They were seen cheering after the twin towers went down. Word got around and it wasn't long before their business went under.

I have a friend who is a Muslim. He owns a business and has lived here for over 30 years. I had his business insured for a long time. He says America is the greatest place to live in the world. But, he says a lot of the Muslims who have moved here in the past 20 years or so scare him. Many of them came here to escape persecution in their country. Now they want to change America to be more like the country they came from.

No i have never read the koran but i have read some of the Qur'an, and i don't have to ask you if you have read it, but the Qur'an has been twisted by extremist. Honestly speaking and being as respectful as i can be if you would like to have an honest conversation about it i'm down, but you chose to ignore everything else i asked you. May i ask why? does it hit to close to home for you? i mean if all were going to do is base everything off bigotry then we might as well not even talk about it. I mean if people want to talk about Numbers lets look at everything shall we and for everyone i apoplogize if this is a long post.
Christianity:

during the crusades 1095-1291 estimated 1-3 million killed
european wars of religion: 1524-1648 estimated 8-12 million killed
spanish inquisition: 1478-1834 estimated 30,000-300,000 killed
Thirty years war: 1618-1648 estimated 4.5 million - 8 million killed


Islam:

ottoman conquests: 13th century to the 20th century estimated 13 million- 15 million killed
isis islamic state: 2014-present estimated 150,000-350,000 killed

Hinduism:

Partition of India 1947 estimated 500,000-2 million killed


Humans as a whole all have a very bloody history....

those numbers are from the clrn as a general estimate.

As Americans we can't even get along with each other by and large, the only time we come together for the most part is when we are attacked and then god forgive who attacked us because we coming hard. For myself i am against all bigotry and i personally believe if more people were that way the world would be a better place, but that will never happen unfortunately. I hope you have a great day

…. If I’m reading right some of y’all are fond of Muslims ?

… do you like the way they smell or what?

…. Starting to think some of y’all have Muslim scented air fresheners in your truck

… weirdos lol

…. Maybe even mahammad scratch and sniff stickers

…. Taking Muslim aroma therapy sessions and what have you

This!

…. Can’t believe there’s turbin sniffers here lol

… step up and be counted

Islam is not the religion of peace. There's lots more than this in their book of evil.

"The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) if they do not join the slaughter.
Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that they are not necessarily restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Islam's apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally don't stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out those calling for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable emphasis on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.

Quran
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things." (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot. (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah'). (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers. (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan)" The Arabic for the word "fight" is from qital, meaning physical combat.

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle). (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (4:101) - "And when you (Muslims) travel in the land, there is no sin on you if you shorten your Salat (prayer) if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you, verily, the disbelievers are ever unto you open enemies." Mere disbelief makes one an "open" enemy of Muslims.

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense? (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (8:12) - "(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels... "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle, given that it both followed and preceded confrontations in which non-Muslims were killed by Muslims. The targets of violence are "those who disbelieve" - further defined in the next verse (13) as those who "defy and disobey Allah." Nothing is said about self-defense. In fact, the verses in sura 8 were narrated shortly after a battle provoked by Muhammad, who had been trying to attack a lightly-armed caravan to steal goods belonging to other people. (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman), a hapless journey's end."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during the pilgrimage. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - but not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, as it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals." (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy." As Ibn Kathir puts it in his tafsir on this passage, "Allah commands Muslims to prepare for war against disbelievers, as much as possible, according to affordability and availability." (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence at the time of Muhammad was to convert to Islam: prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars. The popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert. (See also: Response to Apologists)

[Note: The verse says to fight unbelievers "wherever you find them". Even if the context is a time of battle (which it was not) the reading appears to sanction attacks against those "unbelievers" who are not on the battlefield. In 2016, the Islamic State referred to this verse in urging the faithful to commit terror attacks: Allah did not only command the 'fighting' of disbelievers, as if to say He only wants us to conduct frontline operations against them. Rather, He has also ordered that they be slain wherever they may be – on or off the battlefield. (source)]

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "heals" the hearts of Muslims.

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has instructed them to make Islam "superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths. (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!" (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). The verse also links physical fighting to the "cause of Allah" (or "way of Allah"). (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light or heavy (some translations read "armed") and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and - in this case - on Christian soil, according to the historians). (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman), and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman), makes it easier to justify slaughter. It explains why today's devout Muslims generally have little regard for those outside the faith. The inclusion of "hypocrites" (non-practicing) within the verse also contradicts the apologist's defense that the targets of hate and hostility are wartime foes, since there was never an opposing army made up of non-religious Muslims in Muhammad's time. (See also Games Muslims Play: Terrorists Can't Be Muslim Because They Kill Muslims for the role this verse plays in Islam's perpetual internal conflicts). (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper." (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." How does the Quran define a true believer? (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (v.74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son. [Note: This parable along with verse 58:22 is a major reason that honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.12).] (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (21:44) - "...See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness with it." - The root for Jihad is used twice in this verse - although it may not have been referring to Holy War when narrated, since it was prior to the hijra at Mecca. The "it" at the end is thought to mean the Quran. Thus the verse may have originally meant a non-violent resistance to the 'unbelievers.' Obviously, this changed with the hijra. 'Jihad' after this is almost exclusively within a violent context. The enemy is always defined as people, rather than ideas."

Keith

…. Nobody is going to read all that Kieth lol


…. I’ll give the clifnotes - Muslims are sorry and they smell like wild boar scrote lol

Keith,
It would be quicker to just read the Quran.

Are you a democrat, because they seem to be the only ones that are taken in by the Muslim Islam ideology!
We as Americans don't let people tell us how to live!

I don't see a problem telling the muzzies to change their ways or hit the bricks. We did it to that Utah cult headed up by pedophile bigomists.

man this chat has become a joke. I Made my original post just to hopefully make people think and all everyone has done is just resorted to name calling that is why i quit commenting. I Honestly find all the bigotry hilarious. but to answer your question no i am not a democrat if you would have read one of my previous comments or maybe i did not state it clearly enough for everyone to understand but i will try and make it more understandable. I do not particularly like the muslim faith on a personal side. But with that being said I am honestly curious with all these people giving insults about democrats, enjoying the smell of muzzies as you all say how many of those bigots actually had the Guts and Fortitude to sign up and go to War to defend this Wonderful country? How many of the bigots on here were willing to put their life on the line so that Everyone in this wonderful Country could live their lives? As i stated before i find it hiliarious that i did 2 tours in Iraq over 33 months in country fighting so that some people on here could have the freedom to be able to sit here on their keyboards and call me names. Now i'm not sure who but seen someone took the time to use Google AI to look up a bunch of quotes from the Qur'an. Good on ya. Personally this is why i stay on the Ranch and only go into town when i have to because i am just sick and tired of people. Humans as a whole have just gone completely downhill. This website is awesome and i love learning more and more, this thread is just sad to see all the bigotry, specially by some people who have never served and put their money where their mouth is. Honestly being a keyboard warrior must be awesome. Its hilarious anymore people can't have a difference of opinion without people resorting to calling names and trying to make themselves feel better by trying to put someone who disagrees with you down and trying to degrade them. Everyone who does that all that does is truly show your ignorance.

Please tell me more about Americans? Because brother i can tell you i know true Americans, I lost over 47 brothers who was TRUE Americans, so Please teach me.

Thank you for your service. Good job, not coming out of it full of bigotry.

I think you're confusing bigotry with common moral sense.

Look up Dr. Mark Gabriel, a former imam. He was a history professor teaching in Egypt. At age 12 he had memorized the entire Quran. He left Islam and moved to the US where he now lectures and is a writer on Islam. He was jailed and beaten for leaving Islam prior. He escaped Egypt and was smuggled into the US. His own family has disowned him and want him dead for converting to Christianity. Do you think if he ever left Christianity, Christians would call for his death?

We believe in freedom to choose. Something you fought for and I thank you and commend you for that. But, freedom is something fundamental, radical Islam doesn't believe in or condone.

Wow Trapper7 an intelligent conversation starter, I appreciate that. Thank you for that.

to start i have to disagree i am not confusing bigotry with common moral sense.

Google Definition of Bigotry right off the interenet: obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group:

Calling a Muslim a muzzie is the definition of bigotry. clumping an entire group of people into one category and making jokes about them i.e. all muslims smell like wild boar scrote is bigotry.

The comment you made about Dr Mark Gabriel is 100 percent correct, i have previously stated there is good and bad in every group. if you look at one of my past posts on this thread you could see the number of deaths from crhistianity. you can see how many millions god fearing christians killed in the name of christianity. Again good and bad in every group.

the last line you wrote again agree with we do believe in the freedom to choose, i also agree freddom is something fundamental, but your last sentence you kinda made the point for me as well. RADICAL ISLAM.... Unlike what a lot of people in this thread seem to Think i personally have experience first hand and i Know not All Muslims are Radical Islamists and extremists.

with those points i am respectfully asking you how am i confusing bigotry with common moral sense?

all religions have idiots and extremists and good people in it. all races are the same. There is good and bad in Every human race.

First of all, I'm referring to today's world, not what was happening 500 years ago. Christians don't kill you if you leave to become a Hindu, Muslim, atheist, etc. Jesus taught his followers to love all men. Not so with Muhammad, just the opposite.

I worked in an area where 10-15% of the people are Muslim. There are some who qualify as radicals. There are others I've gotten to know who run profitable businesses and are happy to be able to earn a decent living. I think they respected me as much as I respected them.

Bigotry, according to your listed definition is an unreasonable belief, opinion, or prejudice against a people on the basis of a particular group. I don't think being familiar with the teachings and writings of Muhammad, there is an unreasonable assumption that stanch followers of him are to be concerned about. That's not bigotry, but common sense.

I have read several of Dr. Gabriel's books. He puts Muslims in 3 different categories:
There are those who choose to pretty much ignore the old teachings. But, still consider their religion Islam.
Then there are those who aren't hard core Muslims, but more middle of the road. However, if push came to shove, some might stay status quo, but many would move to the side of radical Islam out of fear.
Last, there are the radical Islamists who are solid on the teachings of the Quran and Muhammad. They are the ones to be most concerned about.

very true and i am talking about history as a whole. But a lot of people want to just ignore that christians killed millions for not believing in jesus.
on the bigotry your correct and i wasn't talking about you but some of this gorup who are to ignorant to bother to learn that you can not just make a stupid comment on an entire race of people

and as your last part your correct just like in todays age there are certain groups who claim to be christains and believe they should kill who ever isn't like them.

there are decent muslims and there are horrible muslims just like any other religion and race.

please tell me where i'm wrong in any of what i have said

Not to nit pick, but muslim is not a race. Carry on!

very true i was just trying to use language they were so they would understand. that why i also said race and religion because anyone with 1 oz of brains should be able to differentiate between the two. kinda makes me wonder since some wants to kick all muslims out of the country what would they want to do with American muslims that were born and raised in america.

What is a true Muslim? The Imams and Ayatollahs are the leaders, they they are the ones in sighting the violence from extreme Muslims. My comment is the same as the train murderer seems a little far fetched. The only correlation I can see you making here is the people on the train seem to be like you'er "true muslims" They stand by and watch as bad ones do horrific crimes against the non believers.

okay brother, i'm done with this thread because it is now a joke. you can keep your bigotry and have a great day that goes for everyone else on this thread i'm done with trying to explain to bigots how they are being bigots.

LOL, I don't have a dog in this fight, but it seems like people are trying to debate with you Zachary but you just keep calling them names.

What color is your prayer rug lol

You are "done with trying to explain to bigots how they are bigots" I'm glad to here that, it would be a good philosophy to live by. You will come out ahead in the long run. I wish you luck.

I think it working great for Europe

Islamaphobic bigot

You're not wrong on any of what you said. I'm sure someone here will disagree with me though. lol

The Crusades started because Muslims started robbing, enslaving and killing Catholics going on Pilgrimage to their Holy Land of Jerusalem. The Crusades ran from 1095 to 1291. The people going were Catholics. Martin Luther, my 11th and 12th grandfather, three times, didn't nail his Theses to the door until 1517. The first Protestant Church didn't start until 1529 at Protestation in Germany. Most people going to the Crusades did it for the right reasons, but not everyone.

There are definitely decent people who consider themselves Muslim. The problem is that the harm from the bad Muslims far exceeds the benefit from the good people who consider themselves Muslim. A simple risk analysis shows they should not be allowed in Western countries. A phobia is an unjustified fear. Being scared of allowing Muslims to settle in your country is not a phobia, because it is fully justified by the danger.

Deporting all Muslims we legally can and banning others from coming is crucial to our country's safety. Arresting legal Muslims engaging in illegal acts is also crucial. For instance close to 100% of Somali girls born in the US are genitally mutilated. High percentages of other Muslim girls born in the US are also mutilated. This removes their ability to enjoy sex, making them into sexual objects, rather than sexual partners. This is illegal in 41 states and illegal under Federal law, though two Muslim judges in Michigan claim it is unconstitutional. The penalty for the parents and doctors is 10 years.

I have read much of the Quran, but of course I'm going to cut and paste parts of it rather than go from memory. I lost my eiditic memory after getting smoke inhalation in my teens.

I've read many of the Muslim Fatwas, which are answers to religious questions and shared some of them here in the past. The answers are frequently despicable, dealing with how to beat your wife, kill homosexuals, kill Jews, lie and legally rape women.

I've also read many of the Muslim Hadiths, which are interpretations of Mohammed's life by Muslim scholars. They are equally abhorrent.

Once legally present, criminal Muslims are locked up and released, which is a high percentage, most will leave. The remaining Muslims will likely assimilate or leave too.

Keith

Much of Europe is in much greater danger from the Muslims. Immediate, extreme violence by righteously angry European men is likely the only thing that can save their people's future.

Keith

…. Something a bigot would say

… come on Kieth … you got to catch up with the times and start sniffin those turbans

…. Be gone woman !

… ought to be stoned for sass mouthin a man like that

… Zachery changed my mind …. I’m pro Muslim now

.. Allah Akbar!!!!

Christians and the Nazis

Poor Ashkenazi jews.

Is allah akbarf true muslim or radical muslim Umar Ibn Savell?

….. be gone infidel !!!!

Im guessing true muslim??

…. Yeah I ain’t a bigot no more…. I’ve converted to the religion of peace

… now get before you find yourself headless

..we don’t take no lip off infidels … women … Jews and whatnot

You have been enlightened to full understanding

… I owe it all to Zachery for opening my eyes to the life of bigotry I’ve been leading

… now if you’ll excuse me I’ve got to go stone my sister for drinking Boone’s farm

I believe u will become a chosen prophet amongst the peaceful war tribes of your brothers Savell

Sure... just let me straighten my hijab and make sure my dress is covering my ankles, then I'll go fix ya a sammich or something....

From Wilbur to Shak Mohammed Savell Princess of the pineywoods tribes is quite the transformation

Good and bad in all groups?

How is that going to work out for you, Lot?

…. Silence infidel bigot !!

Do u have to go full muslim to get your 10 virgins or can u just go half way for 5

….. my Quran is in the mail …. I’ll let you know once it arrives

…. From what I understand we need take out the homos too … might ride down to Houston and do a little of that later tonight

… man it’s good to no longer be a bigot

I believe the preferred method is throwing them off of rooftops.

That is the preferred method.

…. I’ll have to figure out how to get them up there without contracting aids

Maybe you could lure them up there with the anal glands of those East Texas coyotes you catch.

Well, do us all a favor and start with the one that killed Charlie Kirk.

Is a fall from a single wide roof tall enough to get it done?

You've actually turned into a joke.

I agree this thread went low rent fast.

…. Just pointing out hypocrisy there hand

LOL Savell is like family. It's all in jest, ma'am.

… got a serious one in here sister lol

U were joking??

…. In fact I was … for the record I do not actually want to stone Angela lol

She’d whip you like a rented mule.

LOL.... well, thank the lord for small mercies I guess.

Did you see Braveheart, that was my favorite scene.

Amen Keith x10

Hey 330 … how you been?

…. Wolfdog got a good old fashioned ku klux klan post going earlier but it got deleted lol

The topic here is Sharia Law. This is something advocated mostly by radical Islamists. The UK has been infiltrated by radicals and is considered the Sharia Capitol of the west. Radicals are seen demonstrating with signs stating Sharia will rule the earth and Democracy is cancer. There are areas where Sharia rules.

Sharia Law pretty much strips any rights a woman has such as a woman caught in adultery can be stoned. It's pretty much impossible for a woman to divorce an abusive husband as she would need multiple witnesses while a husband needs none to divorce her. A husband can have multiple wives. A woman is totally submissive to her husband. A woman has limitations on where she can go, where she can work, what she can wear, etc.

At a press conference in Washington DC, a Baroness Caroline Cox from the UK warned that America should be vigilant when it comes to Sharia Law considering how it has taken over parts of the UK.

There are other concerns regarding Sharia that are too numerous to mention other than it is not compatible with our laws and freedom as we know them.

Under Sharia it's not just than an adulterous women can be stoned, it is mandatory to stone her. To protect her modesty, while they kill her, they bury her in a pit to her waist, so that when she falls over, they can't see her legs.

Under Sharia, Women who are raped are also considered adulterers and stoned to death.

Under Sharia, the sisters of the men who raped the women, can be raped by the family of the stoned woman who was raped. After those girls or women are raped, they are also modestly stone to death.

Muslims have no place in any country that doesn't hate women.

Keith

This whole stoning to death bit sounds nuts. It also sounds like something from another culture's book at one time.

Many Muslims don't even believe women are people.

I posted the full video of this Imam before.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/sDcJNEQ_VGQ

Keith

You can see the barbarous crap Muslims still believe here:

https://islamqa.info/en

Keith

"Question: 38622
What is the punishment for homosexuality? Is there any differentiation between the one who does it and the one to whom it is done?"

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The Punishment For Homosexuality
Question: 38622
What is the punishment for homosexuality? Is there any differentiation between the one who does it and the one to whom it is done?

Summary of answer
Some Companions said that the punishment for homosexuality is to burn the homosexuals with fire, and some of them viewed that they should be thrown down from a high place then have stones thrown at them. Some of them thought that they should be stoned to death.


Answer
Table Of Contents

Homosexuality is a grave sin in Islam
Punishment for homosexuality in Islam
Punishment for homosexuality in Islam: The Same for both partners?
Praise be to Allah, and blessings and peace be upon the Messenger of Allah.

Homosexuality is a grave sin in Islam
The crime of homosexuality is one of the greatest of crimes, the worst of sins and the most abhorrent of deeds, and Allah punished those who did it in a way that He did not punish other nations. It is indicative of violation of the fitrah, total misguidance, weak intellect and lack of religious commitment, and it is a sign of doom and deprivation of the mercy of Allah. We ask Allah to keep us safe and sound.

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (remember) Lut (Lot), when he said to his people: ‘Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the ‘Alamin (mankind and jinn)? ’Verily, you practice your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins).’ And the answer of his people was only that they said: ‘Drive them out of your town, these are indeed men who want to be pure (from sins)!’ Then We saved him and his family, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind (in the torment). And We rained down on them a rain (of stones). Then see what was the end of the Mujrimun (criminals, polytheists and sinners)” [al-A’raf 7:80-84]

“Verily, by your life (O Muhammad), in their wild intoxication, they were wandering blindly. So As-Saihah (torment — awful cry) overtook them at the time of sunrise. And We turned (the towns of Sodom in Palestine) upside down and rained down on them stones of baked clay. Surely, in this are signs for those who see (or understand or learn the lessons from the Signs of Allah). And verily, they (the cities) were right on the highroad (from Makkah to Syria, i.e. the place where the Dead Sea is now).” [al-Hijr 15:72-76]

Al-Tirmidhi (1456), Abu Dawud (4462) and Ibn Majah (2561) narrated that Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Lut, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.” (Classed as sahih by al-Albani in Sahih al-Tirmidhi)

Ahmad (2915) narrated from Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “May Allah curse the one who does the action of the people of Lut, may Allah curse the one who does the action of the people of Lut,” three times. This was classed as hasan by Shu’ayb al-Arnaut in Tahqiq al-Musnad.

Punishment for homosexuality in Islam
The Companions unanimously agreed on the execution of homosexuals , but they differed as to how they were to be executed. Some of them were of the view that they should be burned with fire, which was the view of ‘Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) and also of Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him), as we shall see below. And some of them thought that they should be thrown down from a high place then have stones thrown at them. This was the view of Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him).

Some of them thought that they should be stoned to death, which was narrated from both ‘Ali and Ibn ‘Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them).

After the Companions, the jurists differed concerning the matter. Some of them said that the homosexual should be executed no matter what his situation, whether he is married or not.

Some of them said that he should be punished in the same way as an adulterer, so he should be stoned if he is married and flogged if he is not married.

Some of them said that a severe punishment should be carried out on him, as the judge sees fit.

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allah be pleased with him) discussed this issue at length, and he mentioned the evidence and arguments of the jurists, but he supported the first view. This is explained in his book al-Jawab al-Kafi li man sa-ala ‘an al-Dawa’ al-Shafi, which he wrote to deal with this immoral action. We will quote some of what he said:

“Because the evil consequences of homosexuality are among the worst of evil consequences, so its punishment is one of the most severe of punishments in this world and in the Hereafter.

The scholars differed as to whether it is to be punished more severely than zina, or whether the punishment for zina should be more severe, or whether the punishments should be the same. There are three points of view:

Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib, Khalid ibn al-Walid, ‘Abd-Allah ibn al-Zubayr, ‘Abd-Allah ibn ‘Abbas, Malik, Ishaq ibn Rahawayh, Imam Ahmad according to the more sound of the two reports from him and al-Shafi’i according to one of his opinions, were of the view that the punishment for homosexuality should be more severe than the punishment for zina, and the punishment is execution in all cases, whether the person is married or not.

Al-Shafi`i, according to the well-known view of his madhhab, and Imam Ahmad according to the other report narrated from him, were of the view that the punishment for the homosexual should be the same as the punishment for the adulterer.

Imam Abu Hanifah was of the view that the punishment for the homosexual should be less severe than the punishment for the adulterer, and it is a punishment to be determined by the judge (ta’zir).

Those who favoured the first view, who are the majority of the ummah – and more than one scholar narrated that there was consensus among the Companions on this point – said that there is no sin that brings worse consequences than homosexuality, and they are second only to the evil consequences of kufr, and they may be worse than the consequences of murder, as we shall see below in sha Allah.

They said: Allah did not test anyone with this major sin before the people of Lut, and He punished them with a punishment that He did not send upon any other nation; He combined all kinds of punishment for them, such as destruction, turning their houses upside down, causing them to be swallowed up by the earth, sending stones down upon them from the sky, taking away their sight, punishing them and making their punishment ongoing, and wreaking vengeance upon them such as was not wrought upon any other nation. That was because of the greatness of the evil consequences of this crime which the earth can hardly bear if it is committed upon it, and the angels flee to the farthest reaches of heaven and earth if they witness it, lest the punishment be sent upon those who do it and they be stricken along with them. The earth cries out to its Lord, may He be blessed and exalted, and the mountains almost shift from their places.

Killing the one to whom it is done is better for him than committing this act with him, because if a man commits sodomy with another man, in effect he kills him in such a way that there is no hope of life after that, unlike murder where the victim is wronged and is a martyr. They said: the evidence for that (i.e., that the evil consequences of homosexuality are worse than those of murder) is the fact that in the case of murder, Allah gives the next of kin the choice: if he wishes he may have him executed and if he wishes he may let him off, but He enjoined executing the homosexual as a hadd punishment, as the Companions of the Messenger of Allah were unanimously agreed, and as is clearly indicated by the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and there is no evidence to the contrary; rather this is what his Companions and the Rightly-Guided Caliphs (may Allah be pleased with them all) did.

It is narrated from Khalid ibn al-Walid that he found a man among one of the Arab tribes with whom men would have intercourse as with a woman. He wrote to Abu Bakr al-Siddiq (may Allah be pleased with him) and Abu Bakr al-Siddiq consulted the Companions (may Allah be pleased with them). ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib had the strongest opinion of all of them, and he said: “No one did that but one of the nations, and you know what Allah did to them. I think that he should be burned with fire.” So Abu Bakr wrote to Khalid and he had him burned.

‘Abd-Allah ibn ‘Abbas said: The highest point in the town should be found and the homosexual should be thrown head first from it, then stones should be thrown at him.

Ibn 'Abbas derived this hadd punishment from the punishment that Allah sent upon the homosexuals of the people of Lut.

Ibn 'Abbas is the one who narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) the words: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Lut, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.” This was narrated by the authors of al-Sunan and was classed as sahih by Ibn Hibban and others. Imam Ahmad quoted this hadith as evidence, and its isnad meets the conditions of al-Bukhari.

They said: and it is narrated that he said: “May Allah curse the one who does the action of the people of Lut, may Allah curse the one who does the action of the people of Lut, may Allah curse the one who does the action of the people of Lut,” and it is not narrated that he cursed the adulterer three times in one hadith. He cursed those who do a variety of major sins, but he did not curse any of them more than once, but he repeated the curse for the homosexual three times. The Companions of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) agreed unanimously that the homosexual is to be executed, and none of them differed concerning that. Rather they differed as to the method of execution. Some people thought that this difference meant that they disagreed about executing him, so they narrated it as a matter concerning which the Companions differed, but it is a matter concerning which there was consensus among them, not a matter of difference.

And they said: Whoever ponders the words of Allah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And come not near to unlawful sex. Verily, it is a Fahishah (i.e. anything that transgresses its limits: a great sin), and an evil way (that leads one to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) unless Allah Forgives him) .” [al-Isra 17:32] and what He says about homosexuality (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (remember) Lut (Lot), when he said to his people: Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the ‘Alamin (mankind and jinn)?.” [al-A’raf 7:80] will see the difference between them. When Allah mentioned zina, He described it as a “great sin” (fahishah – indefinite) among other great sins, but when He mentioned homosexuality, He called it “the worst sin” (al-fahishah – definite). This suggests that it contains all the essence of evil and sin.” (Al-Jawab al-Kafi (p. 260-263)

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

“With regard to homosexuality, some of the scholars said that the punishment for it is the same as the punishment for zina, and it was said that it is less than that. But the correct view on which the Companions were unanimously agreed is that both are to be killed, the active and the passive partners, whether they are married or not.

The authors of al-Sunan narrated from Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Lut, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.” And Abu Dawud narrated from Ibn 'Abbas concerning the unmarried person who commits a homosexual act that he said: He is to be stoned. And something similar was narrated from ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him). The Companions did not differ concerning the ruling that the homosexual is to be executed, but they differed concerning the methods. It was narrated from Abu Bakr al-Siddiq (may Allah be pleased with him) that he is to be burned, and from others that he is to be executed.

It was narrated from some of them that a wall is to be knocked down on top of him until he dies beneath it.

And it is said that both should be detained in the foulest of places until they die.

It was narrated from some of them that he should be taken up to the highest place in the town and thrown down from it, to be followed with stones, as Allah did to the people of Lut. This was narrated from Ibn 'Abbas. According to the other report, he is to be stoned. This was the view of the majority of the salaf. They said: because Allah stoned the people of Lut, and stoning is prescribed for the zani by analogy with the stoning of the homosexual. Both are to be stoned, whether they are free or slaves, or one of them is the slave of the other, if they have reached the age of puberty. If one of them has not reached the age of puberty, he is to be punished but not stoned, and none is to be stoned except one who has reached puberty.”(Al-Siyasah al-Shar’iyyah, p. 138)

Punishment for homosexuality in Islam: The Same for both partners?
The one to whom it is done is like the one who does it, because they both took part in the sin. So both are to be punished by execution, as it says in the hadith. But two exceptions may be made to that:

One who is forced into sodomy by means of beating, death threats and the like. He is not subject to any punishment.
It says in Sharh Muntaha al-Iradat (3/348): “There is no hadd punishment if the one who has been sodomized is forced into it, such as if the one who did it overpowered him or threatened him with death or beating and the like.”

If the one to whom it was done is a minor and has not reached the age of puberty. There is no hadd punishment in this case, but he should be disciplined and punished in a way that will deter him from committing this crime, as stated above in the quotation from Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah.
Ibn Qudamah (may Allah have mercy on him) narrated in al-Mughni (9/62) that there is no difference of opinion among the scholars concerning the fact that the hadd punishment should not be carried out on one who is insane or a boy who has not yet reached the age of puberty.

For more, please see these answers: 21058 , 35 , and 27176 .

And Allah knows best."

Keith

In Islam, little girls can be married at 6 years old and used sexually, but intercourse is forbidden until age 9, when girls are considered to hit puberty. We rightly consider having sex with children rape.

"Question: 8981
What is the punishment for a girl found guilty of adultery if she has not even reached her puberty that is she is still a minor ?."

They are asking about a little girl under 9 years old.

"Praise be to Allah, and blessings and peace be upon the Messenger of Allah.

The sin of adultery (zina: unlawful sexual relationship) is a major sin which Allaah has mentioned in conjunction with kufr, shirk and murder, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who invoke not any other ilaah (god) along with Allaah, nor kill such person as Allaah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment.

The torment will be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace”

[al-Furqaan 25:69]

Al-Qurtubi said:

The followers of all religions are agreed that adultery is forbidden; no religion regards it as permissible. Hence the punishment for it is one of the most severe punishments, because it is a crime against honour and lineage, which is one of the five basic principles that Islam seeks to protect, namely life, religion, lineage, reason and wealth.

Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 24/20, 21

1 – If a woman has been previously married – i.e., a legitimate marriage with her has been consummated – then her punishment is to be stoned to death.

‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) said, when he was sitting on the minbar of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with the truth, and revealed to him the Book. One of the things that He revealed was the verse of stoning, which we have read and understood. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) carried out the punishment of stoning and we did so after him. I fear that as time goes by, people will say, ‘We do not find any mention of stoning in the Book of Allaah,’ so they will go astray by forsaking an obligation that was revealed by Allaah. In the Book of Allaah, stoning is the punishment deserved by any previously-married person, man or woman, who commits adultery, if proof is established, or pregnancy results, or he or she confesses.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2462; Muslim, 1691)

2 – If the woman is a virgin – i.e., she is not married yet or the marriage contract has been done but her husband has not yet consummated the marriage with her – then the punishment is one hundred lashes and exile from her country for a year, as stated in the hadeeth of ‘Ubaadah ibn al-Saamit, who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Receive (teaching) from me. Allah has ordained a way for those (women). When an unmarried male commits adultery with an unmarried female (they should receive) one hundred lashes and banishment for one year. And in the case of a married male committing adultery with a married female, they shall receive one hundred lashes and be stoned to death.”

(Narrated by Muslim, 1690).

If the adulterer or adulteress is a minor below the age of puberty, then there is no punishment to be carried out, according to all scholars.

Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

With regard to puberty and sound mind, the scholars are agreed that both are conditions of punishment being obligatory.

Al-Mughni, 8/134.

The evidence for that is the words of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “The Pen has been lifted from three, from the sleeper until he awakes, from the minor until he grows up, and from the insane until he regains his reason.” (Narrated by al-Nasaa’i, 3432; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Nasaa’i, 3210).

But the minor boy or girl should be punished, with something less than the hadd punishment, in a manner that will deter them from doing this action. And their guardian must also be punished if there was any shortcoming on his part, such as allowing his daughter to mix with boys or being careless concerning such matters.

The girl has to conceal what she has done, and her guardian must also conceal it, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Avoid these filthy things that Allaah has forbidden. Whoever has done any of them, let him conceal himself with the concealment of Allaah, and let him repent to Allaah…”

(Narrated by al-Haakim; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 149).

If the signs of puberty are present in the boy or the girl, then he or she becomes accountable (mukallif) thereby. Information on these signs may be found in Questions Nos. 21246 and 13262.

And Allaah knows best."

So if a little girl younger than 9 is married and raped by a another man, she is to be stoned to death.

Keith

10 Best Reasons To Leave Islam For Christianity

1) Bacon: The list could end right here, and it would still be worth it.

2) Your wife can show her face in public without being stoned to death: Have you ever watched someone try to eat soup at a cafe while wearing a burqa? Not cute.

3) No more of those itchy explosive vests: A nice T-shirt is perfectly fine. And it won't kill you or anyone else.

4) Did we mention bacon?: Just making sure.

5) Ditch your AK-47 for a good ol' AR-15: Like all true Christians.

6) You can listen to Switchfoot instead of that creepy loudspeaker music telling you to pray: This is almost as good as the bacon one.

7) Replace your Quran with great Joel Osteen books: Still filled with false religion, but at least they're cheerful.

8) You can face any direction you want while praying: No more of this "bow toward the east" mumbo-jumbo.

9) 100% less murderous hatred: You'd be surprised at how much better life is when you're not being commanded to murder anyone.

10) Now you can actually have your sins forgiven by Jesus Christ the living Word of God and go to actual Heaven: A lot better than the alternative.

Source: https://babylonbee.com/news/10-best-reasons-to-leave-islam-for-christianity

Leaving Islam is risky. This answer was given on October 8th of 2024. Kinder gentler Islam says:

"Summary of answer
The apostate is not to be put to death immediately after he falls into apostasy, especially if has doubts. Rather he should be asked to repent and be offered the opportunity to return to Islam and resolve his doubts, if any. If he persists in his apostasy after that, he is to be put to death."

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/14231/punishment-for-apostasy-in-islam

Failing to kill a non repentant apostate, when you have the opportunity to do so, is also punished by death.

Keith

…. So maybe just maybe the real bigots are Muslims?

So how come none, or a very few stand up against the radicals.... afraid, or secretly supportive?

I used to think that the ordinary muslim was probably like most of us, just want to support your family and live a peaceful life...but the dancing in the streets after 9-11 and other events against the great satan cured me of that...

They're like pit bulls...maybe nice on the outside but can't be trusted.....until they stand up in mass to denounce the radicals and put their life on the line then maybe I'll change my mind, ...maybe, not holding my breath. So if that makes me a bigot, so be it....

… welcome to the bigot club lol

Is there a secret handshake?, or a membership card?, lol

I've been called a racist before, so bigot might be a step up!....

The Pew Research Center recently found that 60% of Muslims, with American citizenship, want Sharia Law to be adopted by America. The real number is likely much higher.

They don't speak out against the radicals, because they share the same beliefs, some just haven't acted on them yet.

They are a great many times more dangerous than pitbulls. Pitbulls are like butterflies in comparison. There are Muslim attacks, based on their religious beliefs, many times every day.

Keith

…. After a short stent at being Muslim… I’ve converted back to redneck bigot

… them Muslims just too intolerant for me

LOL, religion of peace my skinny butt...

Zachery and wytex would disagree it looks like lol