Right now,myself ,like a bunch of other folks,, are in disbelief, shocked and angry..
It’s soooo easy right now to think bad thoughts and let our tongue start flapping before our brains catch up with it.
JESUS was able to keep his cool… I know he was who he was,, but he was also a human… he always kept his composure ( other than the temple)
It’s very very hard right now to follow his example..because the thought process towards peaceful action is very difficult right now…
It seems like this country has now become totally irreversible …hate and discord to the point of the breakout of the first American civil war.

This is very troubling…

We've been on this path for a long time. It's not surprising.

It’ll be okay. How did He do it? Well first He killed everybody, except for a handful, with a flood. Then He was going to throttle them again but He had just saved them, so that didn’t seem like a good thing. I’m guessing that seeing how easy it was to destroy them He decided to love them, hoping they would feel remorse and sorrow and become better people because of it.

Yeah but the problem with that whole line of thought is that he knew exactly what we would be before he created the first humans. He already knew what he would have to do and chose to create us anyway.

While things look bad, it's really about perspective. Can you imagine living in the middle ages? Overall it was much worse. The difference today is media. You don’t just get the local gossip anymore, Back then, how much did the average peasant even know about anything outside his village? It was all too far away to matter, so he did his work and tended his house hold, and drank a little wine and was contented.

I feel the same way, though I keep it mostly to myself nowadays. Have to be stoic for my family.

My wife always disarms me with scripture. Open your bible to Romans 12 verse 17 and a bit past.

God bless foxkid

i am doing tie chi , Chuck Norris style to mitigate my anger……

The Old Testament...God the Father
had a lot more Vengeance...I like Holy retribution!

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Jesus was a liberal

Yep. We don't need any Jesus right now. We need us some Old Testament God to warsh away the sinners.

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God sent christ, saying we don't need Jesus is saying that we don't need god nor respect his decision.

Tempers are up, I understand, But also think what charlie would have wanted. Tempers flare and die down but what he was building needs to continue construction. Charlie, nor jesus, would want physical vengence.

God used the Romans to kill Himself. Is there some specific reason He wouldn’t use others to do His will?

We were made with free will. The romans did what they did, not what god made them do. Significant difference.

Using others to do his will is one thing, he doesn't control us, nor speak verbally to us anymore, he may reveal to us his will for our life but doesn;t control us to do it. We make decisions. commiting violence against others made in his image is something again save in the instance of protecting your family from attackers in the night, say.

When it comes to the old testament much of it is a history lesson and learning of the law, which shows us our sins and our need of salvation.

But the lord did not use the romans to kill Jesus, he simply knew they would. there's a difference and wording is critical, although I profess I'm no scholar I simply read the scriptures.

“God doesn’t speak to us anymore”…..perhaps you are not listening.

Jesus wasn't a liberal or a conservative and God still talks to us. He told me just today that only love can overcome hate.

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He did more just then that. He also used the Roman Empire so that the disciples could spread the Good News and make more disciples.

What you are saying is true. However, He gave us free will to chose everlasting life or death. He knew many would be doomed, but many would not be. At least we were given a chance. If He had decided not to create man, none of us would be here today.

The bible is clear when it says He was sorry man was ever created. But, it seems He decided to let it play itself out.

Hi FoxKidd, I think you're asking the right questions and looking in the right direction. Good on you!

As far as responses go, I agree with WI Outdoors, none of this is surprising at all. This is what the Bible tells us that humans constantly do. Political ideologies become ultimate and we kill each other to protect them. The good news message of Jesus is that there is a higher political order called the Kingdom of Heaven, and that it operates on principles and means that are completely backwards and upside down compared to normal human orders, and that you can choose to live under the authority of God in His kingdom or to live under the authority of human kingdoms. One way of living leads to ultimate Death, the other to ultimate Life. Jesus did what he did because his ultimate authority was the Father in Heaven, not human schemes and human means. He centered his thoughts and actions on God's teaching and His will. We have a very hard time centering our lives around and building our lives on Jesus's teaching and will. It's complicated and difficult, but a lot of that has to do with our lifestyles and the things we spend our time doing. Spend your day watching Fox News, and you'll think like and become a Fox News person. Spend your time watching CNN, and you'll think like and become a CNN person. Spend your time with Jesus, and you'll think like and become a Jesus person.

Some of the other responses are a bit wild - theologically. No, Jesus was not a Liberal. Jesus's teaching, life, death, and resurrection put both Liberals and Conservatives to shame. If we're orthodox in our thinking, Jesus is God. How in the world can we say that we need God but don't need Jesus right now? That's some pretty serious cognitive dissonance! I can understand the desire to see God's judgement come upon evil in the world, but God's judgement will also come upon us for the same reasons! Careful what you wish for. Amos 5:18-20 sums it up nicely. If you read your Bible carefully, you'll see that God's judgement comes mostly through God letting people do what they want. When kingdoms become corrupt and violent, they fall apart through corruption and violence. If we're thinking in this way, then the corruption and political violence we're seeing in America right now might just be God's judgement on the corruption and violence of America. I certainly don't have the authority or fortitude to claim that this is what's happening, but I think it is certainly possible.

Speaking of cognitive dissonance, Foxkidd (and I mean this in kindness and respect, I'm not trying to disparage you. I admire your searching heart and desire to help you), in your post it seems like you're upset and distressed because it feels like we're headed toward civil war, but in your tag line, you're quoting from the civil war... My suggestion is that if you want to be like Jesus in these tumultuous times, be careful not to glorify political violence and work to glorify Him instead.

I was lucky to be trained by some very competent guys in the martial arts. One basic thing is your mind. Do not let them dictate your mind, you stay focused and calm, let them get hot headed and slip up. The time is not now, when it all out is no quarter.