Won't be missed by me

https://www.foxnews.com/media/disne...following-charlie-kirk-assassin-comments

Good riddance to bad rubbish

Of course it is.

It's nice to see the pendulum swing if only for a minute.

The first amendment only applies to the government. The government cannot punish you for speech or expression, nor can compel speech or expression. There can be no penalties from the government.

It does not apply to your employer. Jimmy KImmel's employer is free to punish him for his speech and expression, and to compel his speech and expression, as they see fit. (within the confines of his contract, of course).

This^^^^

Yep!

Ive agreed with you on a couple things here lately. There might be hope for you yet.

Ripe for a lawsuit they are doing CYA activities but the results are fantastic, Jimmy was a sellout just The Man Show in a suit now like a polished turd.

Don't forget FCC head, Brendan Carr, threatening ABC. Unconstitutional as all heck.

I don't get people who don't watch Kimmel celebrating that he was taken off the air. It's how leftists act.

So just keep taking the hits and do nothing it then? It was a financial decision Kirk’s widow is planning to go after people who made untrue claims like Jimmy did if they canceled him for the lies then it’s not the same then. He has a history of doing the Nazi White Supremely BS he got what he earned.

After all the lies they told about him IS what got Kirk killed to begin with.

Kirk shooter is on record as having said his motivation for shooting Kirk was "he could no longer tolerate the hate.......so it was up to him to do something about it.....meaning kill him". That might qualify as all time record high standard of irony.

What I find fascinating are all the people who support the killing. Don't likes somebody, OK to shoot em in the head. There appears to be common enthusiasm for that concept and it runs deep. What most who support this need to be asked........Kimmel included.......if you support shooting Kirk then it would be OK for somebody to just shoot you? I'm thinking they would say no......which makes them hypocrites of the highest order.......but what else is new?

Aside from legal liability, ABC, Disney, etc. are running on empty as far as viewers are concerned. They can't afford to alienate what is left of any MAGA viewers they may still have. They would have a better chance of retaining viewers for infomercials than to leave little jimmy on the air.

I don’t know about them appealing to the right now CBS well actually the Big 3 MSM outfits are terrible left leaning hacks just pay attention to their broadcasts closely the are all pre judged News that your getting from them with carefully placed key words thrown in.

Lying about someone is generally protected under the first amendment. Defamation has to be proved in court. The accuser has to prove that the statement in question was presented as fact and not opinion, that it was done with the express purpose of harming someone's reputation, and, importantly, that the statement in question is actually false, and that the accused knew it was false.

ABC news, for example, couldn't run the headline "Bernie Sanders's teeth are brown because he eats poop" as a news story because they know it's false,it's presented as fact, and done to harm his reputation. Jimmy Kimmel, though, could do a story about Bernie Sanders eating poop, because everyone knows his show is opinion-based.

The same people screaming violations of free speech are the same ones a few years back celebrating tucker Carlson getting sacked.

And folks fired for refusing the jab.

havent watched him since The Man Show days.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences don’t confuse that.

So did Jimmy not lie about the shooter being MAGA?

In order to get an FCC license, a station has to serve the publics interest. Those licenses are granted to the local affiliates. If the members of the public think the station isnt serving the public interest, they could lose their license. It was the local affiliates that complained to ABC about Kimmel.

I believe he got sacked because his emails caused FOX a lot of settlement money.

"The unredacted messages from the Dominion case, including Carlson’s private criticisms of Trump and Fox leadership, were pivotal in the network’s decision to settle the lawsuit for $787.5 million, avoiding a public trial that could have further exposed internal dysfunction."

It is about the money. If someone's trash talk has the potential to hurt your company or put you out of business, you should have the right to fire them.
IMO, Kimmel is about as entertaining as a gnat.

A large number of stations dropped the show for his comments stop looking for the boogie man they found him its Jimmy!

Even before he made those comments, they should have cancelled his show. This gave them a legitimate reason to get rid of the no talent idiot.

Well Kimmel was a cash loss for ABC even before this latest fiasco.

Another thing to is his contract is up this year so this is convenient timing to not have to renew his contract.

Can the government not fire someone over their speech?

The FCC...has a few guide lines....and spreading lies ,is grounds for removal

I guess instead of firing him, they could of taken the lefts route and killed him for what he said.

That came up on TV this morning. A lawyer present said, if someone threatens a president, VP, any member of congress, or other official they will be arrested.

Sounds like he will be back on in a few days.

A attorney from SC stated today that in a right to work state a employer can fire you for anything they wanted to he said he’s getting calls from people that were fired for their posts he said to bad nothing he can do.

Crazy doesn't realize the rest of the world isn't as crazy as they are.

Freedom of speech IS freedom from consequences from the government. If there are consequences from government for your speech, then you don't have free speech.
You are not free from consequences in the private sphere, but there is also no freedom of speech in the private sphere.




Of course he lied. But not in the legal, defamation sense, no. His show is opinion. Nobody, including his most devoted fans, take what he says as serious fact. It's not a news show, it's an entertainment show. No different than a Rush Limbaugh radio show. (Rush was always clear about his how being opinion and not news, BTW).
As such, Jimmy should be free from governmental consequences for his speech. But, like I said above, he's not free from consequences in the private sphere-as he's finding out.

I think you are underestimating the stupidity of a whole lot of people out there. There are definitely lots people who would believe what he said was fact.

PS I agree with your stance on this situation as it applies to his being fired.

Having a wife employed by the state, you most definitely can.

You guys just don’t understand you’re only supposed to get fired or canceled if you doubt or question things like.

Does standing 6’ apart really matter?
Does wearing a mask really matter?
I think I might try some ivermectin?
Does the shot work?
Are you sure I won’t get Covid after the shot?
Seems like 8 boosters is a lot!!
I not sure BLM is a good group?

Just saying

The government didn't fire Kimmel, ABC did.

The only government action was questioning ABC's license. And no person or entity has an innate right to a license.

An average network show has around 7.4 million viewers. At a measly 1.1 million viewers, ABC was already looking for a reason to axe kimmel. I didn't know he was on tv still.

Keith

Not 100% correct. The military can punish you for speech if you are in the military. I suppose that is the gray area between Government and employer.

Do you know what tact is?

Yeah. It’s touch or the sense of touch.

But, everyone might not know that.

So, you should explain it to them in a way that doesn’t cause offense. We could all use additional skill in dealing with difficult or delicate situations.

It’s not one thing it’s a combination of issues that created this issue stop with the whack a mole games. What goose thinks is not the law it’s what he thinks so to him it’s law. LOL

Many wheels in motion now their own stations are revolting, he lied CBS has not done well in court lately with their slander cases his wife vowed to hold people accountable, the show is ending soon supposedly so why risk another lawsuit? Salaries, production losses, buyouts and FCC approvals to purchase stations are all in the works it’s not just this or that.

Society has gone bonkers. lol

I'm responding deep into the second page about a show and person I have never watched or could care less about and the whole thing is everywhere in the news.

Aren't dead cops in PA more newsworthy? Not in today's world I guess.

EDIT: Turns out I'm actually starting page 3.

It’s on FB but it’s buried in the fray of the Kirk debate that’s still being sorted out.

Last time I watched TV was several years ago stuck in a motel on a highway job. Have watched a half dozen kirk youtube videos. He impressed me with his politeness toward those he disagreed with. Was a real shame a deranged fool decided to murder him. I have no clue what Kimmel said or did to get fired. My GUESS is the station was losing money on his show or at least not profiting as much as they thought they could. If had cheered that murderer I think it would be all over the media. What I have seen was not cheering.

Police officers being injured or killed only matter to Trump, when he knows how the person injuring them voted.
Thats basically what Kimmel was questioning with the Kirk shooter. How conservatives were scrambling to disclaim him. When no one knew motive yet.
So the FCC head wants to threaten ABC with their license. Claim some morality clause about Kimmels remarks.
Not good if you think thats ok.

Once Trump gets all these nasty bad comedians and media people cleaned up. Silenced.
He probably have Kenndy round up all us old crippled people like me.. Ones sucking from tit of society on Social Sercuity and Medicare with ragging case of TDS. Send us to the showers down Aligator Alcatraz never to be seen again.
Just wait wont be long all restaurants will be Taco Bell. Only thing allowed on TV be reruns of Mayberry RFD.
Someone says something bad be fined or locked up under morality clause, or worse made into Solent Green..

Were Doomed

Mac

Theres been some shameful behaviors on CBS and ABC the main issue I have was the statements that were made after the facts came out or pandered to the woke that had nothing to do with the tragedy.

Keep in mind that is a show that each episode ended with young woman jumping on trampolines. They had many a ignorant (politically speaking) skit. One they were on the streets of a big city. They were getting women to sign a petition to end "Women's Suffrage". Many of the women signing the petition had no idea what it meant. I did chuckle. Not as hard as I did hearing he got suspended! Self centered (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) playing both sides of table his whole career!

I enjoy your positivity.

The statements were inaccurate with the information from interviews of family and "friends". Nor evidence found at scene. I think that we call that lies!

They cancel TV shows all the time. Pretty sure his show was on the way out anyway. Not a big deal unless you are a leftist.

Here's a question for you folks, how do you differentiate mental illness from freedom of speech? In my opinion, if a person praises the death of someone who is politically assassinated in the USA, they have something mentally wrong with them. Conversely, expressing your opinion that you disagree with someone who has been politically assassinated falls under freedom of speech. Does the former necessitate investigation/censorship by the government?

Ol dad

Laughing about dead people, mocking dead people, celebrating the death of people you don't like, etc is protected speech under the first amendment.

But anyone with decency wouldn't do it.

I agree. But that doesn't change the fact that it's constitutionally protected, and therefore cannot be punished by the government.

I think you missed the point of my question.

Ol dad

I'll try to answer directly as possible.




No. Mentally ill speech, including mentally ill speech praising the death of someone who is politically assassinated in the USA, is protected under the first amendment.

Try this....."I'm glad that Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman, the democrats from Minnesota, were shot in June. They were terrible people that supported abortion and gun control". (I don't actually think that, This is just for conversation. Lets pretend I actually said this.)

Should the government investigate and censor me?

I think his ratings were getting to the point that they were looking for a good reason to oust him.

The mob mentality comes into play here they don’t really all think that way but they follow the crowd that they belong to making separation of the crazy one difficult to determine. One attempting to out do the previous idiot amplify the statements again blurring the line one more time.

Freedom of speech protects you from prosecution and imprisonment it’s not the get out of jail card for being stupid but some claim it is. If I violated my code of conduct as a LEO I could have been fired if the boss decided I was no longer good for the job I’d be gone and there nothing I could do about that. If a new Sheriff was elected he could pick and choose who remains employed or fire the bunch.

Freedom of speech is NOT freedom of consequences don’t get them confused. If I was fall down drunk on my own time in public “a party” on private property I could be fired even if I never broke the law.

Yes and no

If your employer got a hold of that and you were fired would they be within their rights knowing as an employee you could endanger the other employees?

Censorship was probably not the incorrect word to use, as the Constitution clearly states that mentally ill speech is protected.

However, my question isn't necessarily in reference to protecting the speech of the mentally ill, but declaring what someone says as a symptom of being mentally ill. Hence, openly celebrating someone's assassination. Is that a moral, social, or mental issue? Maybe all of the above?

The point I'm making, is it's not normal to celebrate a person's political assassination, at least not in the USA. Should that person be red flagged? It seems a lot of these shooters have a history of making immoral/mentally; deranged comments. If we're going to catch mentally ill people before they have a chance to kill people, shouldn't we be paying attention to what they say?

Ol dad

Jerry an employer can fire about anyone it wants to some degree.

Government employees can also be fired for speech.

I’m aware of that that’s the point I was making but others just keep saying free speech has no boundaries over and over. LOL That was not directed at you just the way it laid out.

Let's be honest here, after leaving The Man Show he just became another sellout. He did and said whatever his handlers told him to do so he could get that big paycheck.

He’s still The Man Show he just wears a suit now like a polished turd but still a turd! Yes a total sellout if he went back in time he would cancel himself with his woke garbage but the rules don’t apply to liberals just us common folks.

What Jimmy said was a statement no part of it was comedy, nothing even hinted towards it being anything but one of his rants on the right. That’s a huge hump to get over the last thing CBS needs is another massive lawsuit over a dying show.

I already said that there's no such thing as free speech in the private sphere. Your employer can fire you for whatever they want within the confines of your employment contract (if one exists), including speech they don't like.

Free speech only has no boundaries when it comes to being punished by the government (excluding things like libel, and even that is debated)

No.
Your Momma should just slap the taste out of your mouth. She didn't raise you to be that way.
That's what I feel like doing to everyone who is shooting off at the mouth right now. Them getting fired all over the place is calming down a bit.

Bernie Sanders does eat poop. I see it flying out of his lying mouth every time he opens it. Carry on.

Mentally ill speech that insinuates violence toward someone is not protected.

I suspect that an audience of only 1 million viewers had a lot to do with the decision. Nobody watched the show.

Winning

Greg Gutfeld said tonight that Kimmel doesn’t have the guts to go out in the open and face the public like Charlie did and debate them.

Anyone give any thought that maybe ABC is trying to just get out in front of the news for when it's announced that Kimmel was an Epstein frequent flyer? Massie said one of them is a prominent tv figure.??? Hmm

Ol dad

Nah. His contract is up in a few months anyways. Just a good way to get rid of him without looking like the bad guy.

ABC was losing 40 mil a year on that show....good excuse to let him go without the whining from his fan club

Is this a protected form of speech? Or, because it insinuates violence towards someone ( a sitting president at the time), is it not protected?

Personally, I say it's perfectly fine.

Wow! Did you come up with this all on your own, or did you have CNN on while you were typing?

For what protected speech is, look up the Brandenberg Test, aka the can't yell fire in a theater case

From a free speech standpoint, cheering for the demise of an opposing voice is as bad as cheering for the death of Charlie Kirk. Kirk was murdered because of his positions and what he said. Neither voice should be stifled in a free society.

The FCC clearly leaned on ABC--FCC Chair Brendan Carr bragged about it.

And, this is just the beginning. Most of you and your leaders cannot be trusted on anything concerning the Constitution.

Freedom of speech without morals is as salvation without repentance. Maybe that is why the Constitution only works for a religious and moral people.

Nobody is celebrating Kimmel being fired. Kimmel wore out his welcome. We sports officiala have a saying, "we didn't eject a player/coach, they ejected themselves". What is being celebrated is that the country seems to be coming to it's senses.

Kimmel is irrelevant. The teachers and people in government being ousted for this is the only way this country will survive. These people can't be allowed to spread their poison to our children.

FCC was really a non factor. 2 of the biggest owners of ABC stations wanted him out.

Fine by me....

I'll cheer if PETA gets run outta business, same for the anti-gun groups.

Most of our leaders are or were former lawyers. What do you do for a living again?

ol' dad

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Kimmel's ratings were not good. ABC was probably thinking of pulling the plug on him anyway. This was a perfect opportunity. Also, ABC got a lot of flack from some of their sponsors for Kimmel's remarks. When someone's actions have the potential to hurt your business financially, you should have the right to terminate them. That's good business sense.

To make the dumb statement that Trump only chastises those who didn't vote for him is ridiculous. In MN with the shooting of the legislators by that maniac, Trump was very vocal condemning the shooter who was a registered republican.

Yep,
Local broadcasters, especially the ones serving rural areas weren't going to air him even if ABC kept him. Couldn't sell advertising during his timeslot.

That was weird." Nobody is celebrating." People were/are celebrating right here. Poor guy is unemployed. I almost feel sorry for jimmy.

No sense lying about it Dirt, he said nothing good.

Nexstar Media Group and Sinclair Broadcast Group each decided to pull Kimmel’s show from their affiliate stations across the US. Disney, the owner of ABC, subsequently pulled Kimmel off the air entirely. These were corporate decisions from 3 distinct media conglomerates. These were not government decisions in any sense of the word. Nexstar, Sinclair, and Disney simply made sound business decisions -- constitutional as all heck.

Unlike the Biden administration, the Trump administration has not sent FBI agents into a privately held company (Twitter) to covertly “influence” content decisions, aka government censorship -- unconstitutional as all heck. And don’t forget, Twitter banned President Trump from its platform, and the Left was falling all over itself claiming the 1st Amendment didn’t apply because Twitter was a private company and it could do whatever it wanted. That was true then and now.

Finally, under the Communications Act of 1934, the FCC is required to approve or deny any transfer of telecommunications licenses or corporate control. Their role here is to assess whether such transactions serve the "public interest, convenience, and necessity."

If the FCC determines that a merger or set of acquisitions does not serve the public interest, convenience or necessity, they can legally deny the transaction as well as pull broadcast licenses because they have regulatory powers on what is broadcasted over the publicly owned airwaves; they do not have those same regulatory powers over cable television like HBO because they are not publicly owned airwaves. In other words, the FCC’s decision making powers under the Communications Act of 1934 is HUGELY constitutional.

Unemployed? The man has a net worth of 50 million.

Who was it that tried to install the Ministry of Truth into the government come on now be honest. Who decided he would push student loan forgiveness programs after the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional, Lawfare ignored every basic law procedure but you folks ignored it just 3 of many samples of the abuse of the constitution.
The constitution, God, rule of law, US citizens only matter when it can be used as a weapon if not it’s ignored. Spare us the lies.

The good news is they will probably replace him with somebody worse.

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You are welcome!

Late night shows are dead. They are completely getting rid of Colbert's show. I can't imagine ABC bringing in a new host. Show will be entirely replaced.

I thought cancel culture was bad. lol

Jimmy flat out lied and distorted the facts to fit the narrative he supported there no comedy, no monologue but what said was a statement he chose to put out there. It was done after other facts were given by the officials doing the investigation that were totally the opposite to Jimmy's statements he dug that hole himself.

Only when it’s used against the ones that invented it it looks like. If you’re being fair in an unfair fight you’ll probably lose that fight.

Not when it goes against common sense...

I smiled when both of these verdicts came down.

https://foxhuntinglife.com/foxhunting-news/latest-news/hsus-sues-circus-loses-big-time/

https://humanewatch.org/update-hsus-loses-insurance-court-battle/

Same thing to me, liars getting it handed to them.

It's bad when the cancellers are evil and they're targeting people doing good . When evil is being displayed, it's societies job to eliminate it.

Exactly right.

And it isn't about freedom of speech at all. Kimmel has every right to spew his TDS-fueled nonsense.

And the two big ABC affiliate stations that got this ball rolling have every right not to broadcast any show they don't want to.

So it is about personal perspective, got it. For the record, ......who cares about Jimmy Kimmel or any one like him is my thought.

Good and evil isn't a personal perspective.

Of course they are.

If you have a relgious worldview, there isnt personal perspective.

Good adds to life evil takes away!

Which religion?

For me the bright spot in all of this is how much Kimmel's ratings had tanked, long before his latest stupid comments. This tells me the general public is gradually waking up and his TDS drivel is no longer selling like it used to. Things are shifting for the better in this country. The ratings don't lie.

Christianity

Life!

Jimmy Kimmel is unemployed with net worth of 50 million dollars. How many of you wish you were unemployed with 50 million in your pocket?

I would rather be broke than be Jimmy Kimmel.

Ol dad

Lutheran social services or Catholic charities.

Neither of those are religions. The latter is basically a socialist front group masquerading as a Catholic group.