The first amendment only applies to the government. The government cannot punish you for speech or expression, nor can compel speech or expression. There can be no penalties from the government.

It does not apply to your employer. Jimmy KImmel's employer is free to punish him for his speech and expression, and to compel his speech and expression, as they see fit. (within the confines of his contract, of course).

Don't forget FCC head, Brendan Carr, threatening ABC. Unconstitutional as all heck.

I don't get people who don't watch Kimmel celebrating that he was taken off the air. It's how leftists act.

The same people screaming violations of free speech are the same ones a few years back celebrating tucker Carlson getting sacked.

Lying about someone is generally protected under the first amendment. Defamation has to be proved in court. The accuser has to prove that the statement in question was presented as fact and not opinion, that it was done with the express purpose of harming someone's reputation, and, importantly, that the statement in question is actually false, and that the accused knew it was false.

ABC news, for example, couldn't run the headline "Bernie Sanders's teeth are brown because he eats poop" as a news story because they know it's false,it's presented as fact, and done to harm his reputation. Jimmy Kimmel, though, could do a story about Bernie Sanders eating poop, because everyone knows his show is opinion-

[quote=loosegoose]Lying about someone is generally protected under the first amendment. Defamation has to be proved in court. The accuser has to prove that the statement in question was presented as fact and not opinion, that it was done with the express purpose of harming someone's reputation, and, importantly, that the statement in question is actually false, and that the accused knew it was false.

ABC news, for example, couldn't run the headline "Bernie Sanders's teeth are brown because he eats poop" as a news story because they know it's false,it's presented as fact, and done to harm his reputation. Jimmy Kimmel, though, could do a story about Bernie Sanders eating poop, because everyone knows his show is opinion-based.

Don't forget FCC head, Brendan Carr, threatening ABC. Unconstitutional as all heck.

I don't get people who don't watch Kimmel celebrating that he was taken off the air. It's how leftists act.

The same people screaming violations of free speech are the same ones a few years back celebrating tucker Carlson getting sacked.

We have freedom of speech. But if the company I work for does not like what. I say, they have the freedom to fire me or silence me.

Say what you want. Understand some language has penalties.

But sadly, this is only motivated by money as a bunch of sponsors and advertisers were gonna pull money if Kimmel wasn't removed.

Remember, IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY.

The first amendment only applies to the government. The government cannot punish you for speech or expression, nor can compel speech or expression. There can be no penalties from the government.

It does not apply to your employer. Jimmy KImmel's employer is free to punish him for his speech and expression, and to compel his speech and expression, as they see fit. (within the confines of his contract, of course).

In order to get an FCC license, a station has to serve the publics interest. Those licenses are granted to the local affiliates. If the members of the public think the station isnt serving the public interest, they could lose their license. It was the local affiliates that complained to ABC about Kimmel.

Can the government not fire someone over their speech?

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences don’t confuse that.

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So did Jimmy not lie about the shooter being MAGA?

Nobody, including his most devoted fans, take what he says as serious fact.

Can the government not fire someone over their speech?

The first amendment only applies to the government. The government cannot punish you for speech or expression, nor can compel speech or expression. There can be no penalties from the government.

It does not apply to your employer. Jimmy KImmel's employer is free to punish him for his speech and expression, and to compel his speech and expression, as they see fit. (within the confines of his contract, of course).

Don't forget FCC head, Brendan Carr, threatening ABC. Unconstitutional as all heck.

I don't get people who don't watch Kimmel celebrating that he was taken off the air. It's how leftists act.

Do you know what tact is?

Do you know what tact is?

Society has gone bonkers. lol

I'm responding deep into the second page about a show and person I have never watched or could care less about and the whole thing is everywhere in the news.

Aren't dead cops in PA more newsworthy? Not in today's world I guess.

Society has gone bonkers. lol

I'm responding deep into the second page about a show and person I have never watched or could care less about and the whole thing is everywhere in the news.

Aren't dead cops in PA more newsworthy? Not in today's world I guess.

EDIT: Turns out I'm actually starting page 3.

havent watched him since The Man Show days.

Police officers being injured or killed only matter to Trump, when he knows how the person injuring them voted.
Thats basically what Kimmel was questioning with the Kirk shooter. How conservatives were scrambling to disclaim him. When no one knew motive yet.
So the FCC head wants to threaten ABC with their license. Claim some morality clause about Kimmels remarks.
Not good if you think thats ok.

Once Trump gets all these nasty bad comedians and media people cleaned up. Silenced.
He probably have Kenndy round up all us old crippled people like me.. Ones sucking from tit of society on Social Sercuity and Medicare with ragging case of TDS. Send us to the showers down Aligator Alcatraz never to be seen again.
Just wait wont be long all restaurants will be Taco Bell. Only thing allowed on TV be reruns of Mayberry RFD.
Someone says something bad be fined or locked up under morality clause, or worse made into Solent Green..

Were Doomed

Mac

Theres been some shameful behaviors on CBS and ABC the main issue I have was the statements that were made after the facts came out or pandered to the woke that had nothing to do with the tragedy.

Laughing about dead people, mocking dead people, celebrating the death of people you don't like, etc is protected speech under the first amendment.

But anyone with decency wouldn't do it.

I think you missed the point of my question.

Ol dad

Here's a question for you folks, how do you differentiate mental illness from freedom of speech? In my opinion, if a person praises the death of someone who is politically assassinated in the USA, they have something mentally wrong with them. Conversely, expressing your opinion that you disagree with someone who has been politically assassinated falls under freedom of speech. Does the former necessitate investigation/censorship by the government?

Ol dad

Try this....."I'm glad that Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman, the democrats from Minnesota, were shot in June. They were terrible people that supported abortion and gun control". (I don't actually think that, This is just for conversation. Lets pretend I actually said this.)

Should the government investigate and censor me?

Yes and no

I'll try to answer directly as possible.




No. Mentally ill speech, including mentally ill speech praising the death of someone who is politically assassinated in the USA, is protected under the first amendment.

Jerry an employer can fire about anyone it wants to some degree.

Government employees can also be fired for speech.

Let's be honest here, after leaving The Man Show he just became another sellout. He did and said whatever his handlers told him to do so he could get that big paycheck.

If your employer got a hold of that and you were fired would they be within their rights knowing as an employee you could endanger the other employees?

Try this....."I'm glad that Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman, the democrats from Minnesota, were shot in June. They were terrible people that supported abortion and gun control". (I don't actually think that, This is just for conversation. Lets pretend I actually said this.)

Should the government investigate and censor me?

Lying about someone is generally protected under the first amendment. Defamation has to be proved in court. The accuser has to prove that the statement in question was presented as fact and not opinion, that it was done with the express purpose of harming someone's reputation, and, importantly, that the statement in question is actually false, and that the accused knew it was false.

ABC news, for example, couldn't run the headline "Bernie Sanders's teeth are brown because he eats poop" as a news story because they know it's false,it's presented as fact, and done to harm his reputation. Jimmy Kimmel, though, could do a story about Bernie Sanders eating poop, because everyone knows his show is opinion-based.

I'll try to answer directly as possible.




No. Mentally ill speech, including mentally ill speech praising the death of someone who is politically assassinated in the USA, is protected under the first amendment