Do non citizens have constitutional rights? Illegal aliens?

They don't have rights that are explicitly for citizens, like the right to vote (15th Amendment, 26th Amendment).

But that doesn't mean that rights like due process or habeas corpus can be withheld from them. I guess you could categorize those as human rights, not citizen rights.

What Admiral Ackbar said.

They should have no more rights than any other criminal

"It's a trap".

They don’t

Yup. Lol

It depends on if you think the rights enumerated in the constitution are granted by God and/or are natural rights, or are granted by man and/or are privileges.

Lets look at the first amendment, for example.....is the right to free speech granted by God/by mere fact of being human? Or is it a privilege that can be revoked at will?

How about the 2nd....do people have a natural right to be free from violence and tyranny, and to access the the means of protecting themselves from such? Or is it a privilege granted upon them by their government?

Some, of course, are clearly granted only up on citizens, like the right to vote.

But any right that you believe is a natural right, applies to all humans.

If illegal aliens are human (of course they are), then they have the same right as any other human that has committed a crime. So awkward yourself.....do you have the right to due process because you're a citizen? Or is it a natural right because you're a human?

I just thought about this today and thought it would be an interesting discussion.

Here illegally! No rights here other than to leave.

They still get a few. Most of which apply to them being in court and getting sent home. But yeah, they need to be gone.

Good question and a difficult one to resolve if, like myself, you firmly adhere to ALL persons being endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.

So, yes, all human souls possess inherent rights period.

Now then let's enter the sticky area. Do we not have competing rights here? Much like the right to life and defense of life that let's say and armed rapist is born with? What about the self same rights that his potential victim possesses?

I would argue that any person in the LAWFUL exercise of their rights in THE PLACE where they are LAWFUL to be is the correct state of things. Once unlawful acts are in progress then any free exercise of rights are abrogated until such time as the unlawful act is rectified.

So I would opine that illegals are not entitled to the free exercise of rights that are reserved for lawful citizens. That we extend these rights to lawful guests, visa/green card holders, while they remain lawful is correct. To extend them to the unlawful would be wrong.

Do y'all believe medical care is a human right? ..I don't...Been hearing that alot lately.

Anyone can go to an emergency room and receive emergency medical care. After that, no.

That's how I see it...Think what they are really saying is they have the right to get their health care for free (paid for by others)

This is a constitutional thread, sorry for the O.T.

No, that fits.

Wait till you learn about the sovereign citizen and Moor or whatever it is weirdos.

Absolutely not, not even emergency life saving care.

A right to ask but no one can be coerced to perform a service short of adjudication and incarceration.

BTW the same applies to the military draft.

Hope the ER you ever have to go to doesn’t wait to confirm you have insurance and you are here legally before they perform life saving care.


Would really hate for you to die while they confirm you are eligible to live.



Luckily the doctors and other medical staff will do what is needed.

No one ever said that liberty comes without consequences.

Now that said, if society works out some sort of solution where medical services are properly compensated via third party then I'm fine with it. Though what we're doing now ain't exactly working well.

The principle remains though.

lol. So you or a loved one goes to the ER with a severe injury or illness on deaths door. You’re good with waiting to show your insurance card before they render life saving care? That’s insane.

Would you have me hold a gun on the doctor?

Would you trust a doctor with a gun being held on him?

The heck are you talking about now?

Don't see a problem with emergency room life saving care, but it's still not a right, maybe a privilege that still needs to be payed for....


It's the cradle to grave human right all encompassing medical care bunch that burns me.

I see this as more of a hippocratic oath deal from the medical side.

I have no problem incarcerating someone who does not have the ability to pay for their care or confiscating property to pay for services rendered. The service was not denied but it must be paid for one way or the other. Having prison time as a way to encourage people to be responsible for their medical bills would be beneficial to the system and to tax payers. Prison is a whole lot cheaper than the hospital bill, especially emergency services.

Imagine a dude walking around the a cane. What are you in here for? I broke my leg in a motorcycle accident and couldn't pay for it so. I have t to do time.

And when the person gets out of prison, the hospital can sue for the bill.

But I do not believe medical care from cradle to grave is a constitutional or GOD bestowed right.

It was a good thing when debtors prison was done away ith

Why do many drugs cost much less in foreign countries? Same with health care. Not second rate healthcare or subsidized by the government either.

In MN. they seem to have more rights.

The issue is not receiving emergency care. Talk to anybody that works in an ER, anybody. They will tell you ER’s are being used as walkin clinics.

Unaware of another country that bestows rights to people that are not citizens.