Can someone tell me where to look up, what was paid out to individuals thru government substitute's?

Punch in your zip code and it will tell you how much each person got for that area if they have land in multiple zip codes you'll have to punch in each code to get a accurate number on them. If you have any questions pm me.iam assuming you meant subsidies.

Thank you!!

Most will be surprised!

Most would be surprised at the havoc government can cause when intervening in the free market. In order that the public has available food at an affordable price, the government has intervened in one way or other since the days of Joseph of Egypt.
Most farmers I know would much rather just have a free market !

Exactly... I would much rather no subsidies and let people pay the actual production costs of their food at the grocery store. But as much as people moan and groan about the subsidies, I think that would pale in comparison to the absolute tantrums people would have when they found out how much it really costs to produce the food they buy.

As livestock farmers there are not many "subsidies" available to us, but we do benefit second hand from subsidies on grain that help us to control feed cost when buying grain products. There are often however grants to livestock operations that can be taken advantage of. They often center around doing projects to protect the environment usually being very project specific.

Edit to say that one glaring exception was during covid. The government was tripping over themselves to hand out money to livestock operations during that time.

It would be one thing if it were just about good quality food. But cheap ethanol and corn syrup are not that.

I guess the original post just switched horses, lol!
https://www.fractracker.org/2025/03/fossil-fuel-subsidies-free-market-myth/

Really, so then farmers would be good paying property tax based on valuations, say $125 to $175 an acre. some states they pay no sales tax on machinery, that would have to go. With no price supports many would go broke. Be careful what you wish for.

I guess maybe you can't fathom what if the market was truly free how that would equate to parity prices. But there is not much use to even let ones mind wonder or wish for it, because cheap food equals votes.

Some of you must never step foot in a grocery store if you think food is cheap. Next it will be, prices would be triple what they are now with no subsidies and maybe that's true, but I don't have to buy it.

Most farmers grow livestock feed. Meat is far from cheap

They pay land owners to not farm 25 million acres of farmland. Subsidies are vote buying.

This. And after the starch is taken out of corn to make ethanol, the mash remainder still makes good fat cattle feed. Easy to digest.

People/Industries that receive subsidies sure indeed love those subsidies. Ironically many of them would be hard core "capitalists" while sitting around coffee row shooting the breeze with their kin and buddies.

True.

To look up what a farmer receives for commodity subsidies, go to "ewg.org", and indicate state, county, etc, etc.

Yes same old BS about food prices. Don’t see any program for people who like to eat beef. See soybean farmers are going to get a bailout because of cheap prices partly from tariffs. Government has created a monster propping up farmers unfortunately instead of keeping more farmers it has done the exact opposite.

To have a large society and growth in population one needs a sustainable food source to feed them all. Farmers are subsidized to keep affordable food products and grow the population of the country. Short term, currently there will be a bump in prices but if we can get markets opened to US ag products that we currently do not have due to 50 years of failed economic policy we should see and better pricing. With that said it is hard to see farming sustainability as land prices are going up and up and up. Also that growing population is eating up ag land for developments. Where is the breaking point?

We always had a sign my Father put up in our store in the 70's. "If you complain about farmers, Don't talk with your mouth full"

Don't know about any breaking point, but there sure ain't any poor or broke farmers around here. The amount some of these guys get in subsidies is crazy.

If farming is such a good gig, go buy all the equipment, some land, all the inputs and start farmin. You’ll see

The farmers in our area that are doine well are 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th generation farms and have build equity and leverage for 75-150 years. T say one can go out and buy 200 acres today and stock it with cows, machinery, equipment and feed supply shows that many don't understand the process to be able to pay 12k per acre to expand in todays world. Having worked with farmers from 1975 to to 2016, I was able to work with farmers on both ends of the spectrum and yes some are very profitable and many of those have been profitable for several generations. Margins in todays Ag economy are very slim and thus we see the expansion of those with leverage to do so, and they can become more profitable. With the high cost of health care, familly living, education, saving for retirement etc. it makes smaller farms with lower revenues hard to sustain even if they can produce a product at a lower cost then many of the larger scale operations.

Bryce

Well said Bryce. 4th generation farmer here

Trying to wrap up corn harvest this evening, lost the transmission in an International grain truck. Always something. Neighbor farmer will lend us a truck to finish

People see all the fancy equipment and make a lot of assumptions. You know what they don't see? They don't see the bank note that is owed on all that shinny equipment.

Well they may have a bank note but it has to be paid off plus interest.

Many of the large farms that are growing around here and expanding don't really plan on getting out of debt. They learn and have learned how to manage debt and also which investments have the best returns on their investments. Also many are getting funds from non ag sources where the REAL money is at and those individuals, firms or investment groups can benefit greatly from the tax write offs from depreciation etc. as many of those investors are in the 30 something plus tax brackets. It is easy for many to see a new shiney combine or tractor and think that someone is really rich, but it tells me they know very little about where the real billions are at.

Bryce

drive around in the country and when you see a big fancy house worth 3 to 4 times more than all the surrounding houses with black top driveways, ponds out in the front yard, brand new vehicles parked in front, well you found a poor poor farmer.

Nah you found a lucky farmer. And the harder he works the luckier he gets !

And the farmer pays the large majority of taxes to fund bond issues that everybody gets to vote on. A person who has never worked and owns nothing can vote for the farmer to pay more taxes.

I did. Doesn't mean I suddenly support welfare just because I'm on the receiving end

With the attitude that a lot of people have on here about farmers; they must for conscience sake only trap on their own land or government land that is kept up by the tax payer.
Next time they go to ask a farmer for permission to hunt, trap and/or fish I just bet they tell the farmer upfront their opinion of him. Bad old farmer.

No one is making broad, personal attacks against farmers even though a couple of you are trying to imagine that.

Doesn't change the fact some huge subsidies are involved. Kept up by the taxpayer.

Not in Minn. my son in law owns 390 acres, half open and I owned a restaurant in a small town in bad location. I paid 3 times in tax that he paid.

People are good at defending policies that benefit them. At the same time, many of these people who are receiving subsidies are also loud cheerleaders in the tariff war with the Canadian dairy industry because of their “unfair subsidies “ lol
I’m not really sure how this makes any sense but in this social media world here we are. “Subsidies are soooo unfair, but here’s my hand out for the subsidy made just for me.”

There is a chance you know that some of the people here commenting know a fair bit about how things work on the farm. I mean, I for example grew up on one and have a father that is a small farmer with about 1000 tillable acres put to wheat, canola ands lentils each year. Having insight to how things work isn’t always “an attitude”. It is nice to be able to make decent size purchases in dad’s name ( zero turn mower etc) to save a tax. Knowing that type of benefit and seeing that it is possibly unfair to the average Joe doesn’t automatically translate to an attitude about farmers.

I’ve worked on farms and been around farmers my whole life and none of them are poor. But I am sick of hearing of how bad they got it and how there barely making it. Farmers pay very little in taxes on there ground compared to anyone else. They also get all kinds of tax breaks. They also pay less for there vehicle insurance. There also allowed to put everything they own such as campers, boats, atv.etc all on there farm insurance so it’s a lot cheaper for them. If it rains too much they get money from the government, if it rains too little they get money, if they have a poor crop they get money. I know farmers that get checks from the government left and right and they flat out tell you they don’t even know what there all for they just cash them and go.

It’s extremely hard to become a farmer now unless you’re already rich with the prices of land. But when your the 3rd or 4th or 5th or 6th or whatever generation farmer and you inherit millions of dollars worth of land your already rich. My opinion you have nothing to complain about. That’s literally like have millions in a savings account that gets bigger every year.

They all got there hand out for the government to give them money all while sitting on millions of dollars worth of land.

If farming is such a bad gig why don’t they just quit and go get a factory job. But they don’t, they just like to complain like everyone else about there job

One thing for sure I've never seen a idle piece of farm ground.if someone retires there's 10 farmers knocking on the door either wanting to buy or rent the land.its sad but I've had people tell me that neighbors have asked about the land while going thru the line at a funeral of a loved one.

why can't new small farmers have a chance at making a go of it? because 68% of the subsidies go to the top 10% of the farmers.
https://farm.ewg.org/region.php?fips=54031
Pilgrims pride is a poultry company, since 1995 they have been awarded 26 million in federal farm subsidies. look up your area in the link above and see how much the covid scamdemic benefitted the large farms in your area.

I hear what you are all saying. Farmers are all born with a silver spoon in their mouths. And you don't think its fair that fur is not an important enough commodity to warrant a subsidy. Maybe you should pray for the boll weevil to make a comeback and wipe the cotton out and once again make fur a necessary commodity.

There chew on that a while ! I hear raw meat with a bone in it is replacing todays pacifiers.

I don't think the fur industry should get welfare either.

Like it or not but when your born into a family and set to inherit millions of dollars worth of land I would say yeah that’s being born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

That land is like money in the bank you can always fall back on if you need money.

So what is the alternative you would use to keep everyone's head above water? Reagan started the CRP to minimize Carters fiasco. I doubt Russia would be a good substitute for China right now, but with our leadership who knows when or where the art of the deal will pop out. Question is how long will it take to recover China's export business. In the meantime let the subsidies flow !

If you can’t make it as a farmer with out subsidies you should go under. And then go get a job at a factory or somewhere like everyone else who don’t get government hand outs.

You are right! In cheap fur times, sell your traps to help your cash flow!

I don’t trap for a living. Very very very few people do. And even less rely on the price of fur, they get paid for animal removal. Trapping is just like hunting or fishing, it’s a past time, something to do that you like. So your comparison is just dumb.

Maybe not so dumb. Trapping in the past has been a way of life. We have observed it fading away. Farming is a way of life. People make their living and raise their kids on it. We saw the family farm gutted in the 80's due to incompetent leadership. So why is the two not related, just off on the timing ?

If farmer's paid the equivalent property tax as everyone else and if our government fed and state went to a flat tax, that's called treating all equal.Why is one group of people being being catered to, my truck is a work vehicle. Zero tax deduction my diesel equipment no tax deduction/ full price for fuel. Please anyone explain how that's fair.

its not fair. i know a farmer that has told me several times that he could get a brand new truck every year if he wanted too and write it off in taxes. he doesn't, he is a more conservative farmer. he does take govt subsidies but he doesn't waste his money on needless things and lives more conservatively. and he has alot of money in the bank (millions) and millions in land.

if your a carpenter, welder, mechanic, plumber, etc. if you cant make a living doing any of those you get a different job. you don't get any government handouts, lower taxes, or any of the benefits farmers get.

i don't hate farmers. lol i just get sick of hearing them complain and hearing people talk about how the poor farmers have it so rough. out of all the physical labor type jobs out there i would love to be a farmer. but there is no way to become a farmer in this day in age without being born into it or being rich enough to buy land and such.

I agree, but would still like to hear how people think it equal to all,

For starters please give a specific example where farmers get to pay less on comparable property tax?

I no there's vacant land here that people pay taxes on that's worth next to nothing and farm ground in the same square mile that's worth 8-10 k per acre the one that isn't farmed at least 20 x more in taxes for the same amount. Even the assesser here says the farmers are getting off dirt cheap and there's nothing that he can do. Says it's the government and farm bureau, the farmers pay zero property tax on there machinery which carried over too there lawn mowers etc.

Here you go ive got a 56x28 ranch style house with a 36x28 garage built in 2007 on 5 acres.my neighbor has a older 2 story house that has been completely gutted and remodeled inside and out a 50x 28 garage that's only 7 years old 3 grain bins a 120x60ft machine shed brand new tin within the last 5 years a 60x 80 cattle shed new within the last 10 years a couple older outbuildings still in very good condition plus a 100 acres his assessed value is only 27,000 more then mine hes got 95 more acres then me worrh at least 8,000 a acre on the low side.take 95 x 8,000is 760,000 not including the buildings and house.Farmland gets taxed a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) of alot cheaper at least here in Illinois.

farmers around here pay roughly $18 to $21 an acre. i just figure a $20 average. not sure what other parts of the state pay or other states but thats what the farmers around here pay. easy to look up here, we have a gis map system and you can look up all there taxes and what they paid for the property and everything.

That’s a whole lot of assumption there bud. Like shaming DT Jr for being DT’s son. You understand how much federal and state tax each farmer pays in, as self employed? Understand anything about estate taxes and what it takes to keep what your family has worked generations to build?!

Go “buy land and such” and let your so called subsidies pay for it. According to your theory it’s an easy way to get rich . Are you a little girl? Because you’re whining like one.

no assumption there. i know lots of farmers and talk to lots of farmers. and in indiana there is no estate tax so when your parents die and the farm comes to you you pay no taxes on it. so yes i do know more than you

if your born into a family farm your born rich. every farmer i know has millions of dollars worth of land. tell me thats not rich?

i couldnt buy land and all the equipment to get started from scratch and see a profit in my lifetime. no way possible. but if you already own the land and its paid for and all the equipment and you inherit it then your are sitting on a gold mine.

how about you tell us how many acres you own. tell us what the average price farm land sells for around you. lets see how poor you are.

Love the song Buy Dirt.
My brother and I rolled the dice, almost went bankrupt and he almost divorced. We bought land in the mid 80's, (should have bought more). 17-21 percent interest rates then. Wish we had bought more but we have what we have and it is worth more than we ever dreamed of, but we are "land poor". We love our dirt and it means so much to us, we will not sell. Land is more than dollars to many of us.

Around here property tax is 4-5 times higher for ground that is not designated ag use.

I am somewhat old, but I remember many government programs that were meant to increase the price of farm commodities, hence food.

Any program paid for with taxes increases the price of food. They keep raise taxes and add what we pay them on. They say farmers have a strong lobby, that means enough money to bribe to get bills passed.

Interesting read. Like all "temporary" programs and taxes, they never go away and just get bigger.

I do believe if a landowner gets subsidies, animal control tags, etc. the land should be open to the public for hunting, trapping, or fishing.

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Here valuation is based off of CSR2 and is slow to raise, the piece that isn’t farmed may actually have a higher CSR2, I just went though a similar situation, so the valuation would be higher, the taxation rate is set by the supervisor’s, the machinery comment I think you meant sales tax which was removed, I believe in the 80’s, to promote sales and try to drive the ag manufacturing sector I can see this ending relatively soon.

Here you go ive got a 56x28 ranch style house with a 36x28 garage built in 2007 on 5 acres.my neighbor has a older 2 story house that has been completely gutted and remodeled inside and out a 50x 28 garage that's only 7 years old 3 grain bins a 120x60ft machine shed brand new tin within the last 5 years a 60x 80 cattle shed new within the last 10 years a couple older outbuildings still in very good condition plus a 100 acres his assessed value is only 27,000 more then mine hes got 95 more acres then me worrh at least 8,000 a acre on the low side.take 95 x 8,000is 760,000 not including the buildings and house.Farmland gets taxed a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) of alot cheaper at least here in Illinois. [/quote]

As I pointed out in my prior post valuation is slow to increase, here homes are based on square feet and floors, remolding a home doesn’t change much, same with out buildings age dictates a lot on value also if there’s concrete in the shed.

Why?

As I pointed out in my prior post valuation is slow to increase, here homes are based on square feet and floors, remolding a home doesn’t change much, same with out buildings age dictates a lot on value also if there’s concrete in the shed.[/quote]
Valuation gets changed every 4 years here when the tax assessor comes around and inspects the property for any improvements plus they go off of similar sales of land in previous years to assess yours.he bought that farm for 400,000 back in 2008 remodeled the house put new tin on the machine shed built the garage and cattle shed after he bought it .my house is 18 years old and my taxes keep going up so by your response my taxes should go down because my house is getting older doesn't work that way .

Unless the taxation rate is going up the valuation should go down as your house ages, it will reach a point of leveling off, here they come around every year look to make sure you haven’t added something.

The land we/I own won’t be sold , at least god willing under my watch. So it will not translate to cash. Hopefully never will for generations to come. We work the land, and enjoy a lifestyle of grain farming. Our family has worked hard for what we have. We have enjoyed our every inch of our property, hunting trapping fishing camping, four generations of avid outdoorsman. No, we’re not poor. We (my family) are rich in a way that we love what we do and try to enjoy every day in some way. Cash rich ?! - absolutely not.

I’ll leave it at that, and if you have further questions or comments, shoot me a pm.

John

Average assessed value of open ground is around $4350.00 but actual selling price is over 13000.00 per acre, yea that seems fair. Most on here know farmers get many carve outs. If subsidies ended most farmers would go broke, most know that also.

Back in the 70s before subsidies every small farmer had dairy,hogs,beef,sheep if prices fell off on one you had something else to fall back on.most farmers now either totally grain farm or a combo of beef and grain times have changed.

What was the Soil Bank act in 1956 ?

Ranchers in the west get cheap per head grazing rights to public land. The public can use it also with regs about closing gates not injuring livestock etc. IMO subsidized farm ground should be the same thing. If the public must help pay the bills its only right.

It had 2 purposes to help stop erosion and help with grain prices so there wasn't over production.iam not positive but I think it had to be rolling/hilly ground to be able to get enrolled in the program but iam not sure of that

It did not have to be marginal ground, but why in the world would anyone set back good ground and plant the marginal stuff???

Soil bank was not designed to be used on highly erodable or lower and more sensitive soils. That came in later farm bills in the 80s. My father put both of our farms in the soil bank back in the late 1950s. Our land was lowere yielding land but not considered highly erodable. Most land that went into the soil bank in our area was complete farms, mostly older farmers or farmers with lower production and management like our home farm was. It was later when there were acres set aside where farmers would set aside their lower producing acres and thus would not lose much or any production and they recieve acreage payment based on the average of their base yields for the crops, like soybeans, corn etc. They also saved coss on tilling, planting and harvesting on those lower yielding acres.
Farm subsidies started in 1949 and the base for income revenue was based on incomes from the early 1900s when the creators of the program felt there was the most parity between agriculture prices and the non ag sector. It was based on yield, acres and prices and for many of the first decades the government stored huge quantities of crops to keep them off the market to keep prices up and then release them when there were shortages or foreign trade opportunities etc. The program beng based on acres, yield and crop type does not create the best way to encourage smaller farms to be able to compete and also favors farms in areas that can raise lots of corn, beans, cotton, sorghum, suger cane, rice or tobacco. Many of those which are not gone. In 1960 there were almost 4 million farmers. Today there are about 1.9 million farmers of which about the largest 10% produce over 80% of the food, feed and fiber in the USA. So even though there is a considerable government impact on agriculture the farms that manage resources and money the best are more successful. So capitalism does play a huge role in who succeeds in farming just like all the other business sectors. The USA average for corn yield may well be over 185 bu per acre this year, which is twice the average just 40 years ago. There are states like IA, ILL and NE that will average over 200 bu per acre. Today milk yield per cow in the USA is aroun 24,000 lbs. per cow per year, over twice what it was in the late 1970s.

Bryce

I knew what average bushels of corn per acre was, but never really thought about it before. The birds I raise along with my dogs, goats and rabbits, which have corn in their feed too, consume over 11 acres of corn a year.

Keith