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Alrighty finally got ahead of some of the chores so now we can focus on this . What am I doing ? Bought the cheapest on sale .22-250 upper I could find and we'll gonna see if I can make it work. 22-250 has a pretty well documented history of NOT wanting to work win gas guns . The ones that see to work flawless as a whole are the really nice Gucci custom ones ... But a lot of those use special stuff ...and you looking at $2500-$4000 for some I've seen.... For that price I'd hope they would work flawless but most folks are going with the cheapest they can get so when I got a 10% off coupon code in my email and saw this upper for sale ...well I just had to lol. What I'll do with it ...well if it doesn't work , toss the barrel throw in a .243 or something. The side charging barreled uppers are like $175-200 plus the handguard...egghh . And if it does work... I guess Ill put it to the " kill something with this " list lol Anyhow $216 shipped
And here we go with what she looks like.
So something interesting is I got a lil deal of CLP a note and a manual with his one....I never gotten these from BCA.... Mabey it's just a new policy? Idk
But other then that see to be the standard BCA treatment no rust or nicks dings ect everything is nice and tight and has a lil layer of some kinda oil.
Now for the part I know a lot of y'all love ... The bore scope. This is right out the box no cleaning from the muzzle to the chamber
So definitely rough. But seems they gotta better with their crown at least lol. I have never seen those squiggly deals so idk what those are and the gas hole looks to have a burr so hmmmm lands area. Bit better then what I'm used to from BCA. Okie doke time. To clean a lil.
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Ok so gave her a scrubbing. From left to right hopped #9, dry patches JB bore paste, dry patches , hoppes , dry , JB and a wet patch
And a few shots of the barrel now .... definitely a nasty burr on that gas port Still don't know what these squiggles are...never seen that before
Alrighty now that's don't time for fitment. If you saw my post about my 6.5 creed AR10 then you'll know that AR10's are finicky but the BCA and PSA uppers and lowers can work together....with some fitment.
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Anyhow this actually is pretty common it seems from reading so yeah... First I'll just try and pop them together because apparently sometimes they will fit without any fitment
And no dice the back pin just won't go in because the upper receiver has a lil too much meat on the back end and won't let it sit low enough. Last one I did I ground like every thing
But really you don't need to . Just hold the together in front of the light and you'll see exactly where your getting contact and where you need to grind
So just packed some paper towel in the recovery and wrapped the rest in a old shirt and went to bubba'inh If you've ever done any stock fitment work it's about the same deal. Sand a lil test fit , sand a lil test fit . Took like 10 min total and got a nice fit barely any noticeable movement at all and cam pop the pins out pretty easy
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Hey Wolfie... I seen that BCA has the whole complete gun in 22-250 in an AR format. I recently just bought a BCA AR 15 in 22 Arc. Have short it about 20 times shooting and cleaning and shooting and cleaning some more hoping to break in my SS barrel. Functioned great ! So far. I have not shot it yet with a scope to see how accurate it is. I am not doing such a detailed testing as you are. Some people like BCA products and some people cuss them. Thanks for this post...
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Alrighty we got her all put together! Added a light deal of oil to the bcg just a few drops on the body wiped on with a rage and a drop or two the the inside of the BCG.... I don't like just "soaking" and AR ... Know that's some folks deal, not mine .
Ok now time for the meat and potatoes of what's supposed to be the big ole 600lb gorilla of 22-250 AR10's... FEEDING ISSUES! like I've said before the big big we documented issue with these things is them not feeding .22-250 well . Ole Ed over on Outdoor Edventers in YouTube has a pretty detail video on his experience ... He's a real off the books hot rodder type reloader btw
That and with a lot of posts from places like predator masters and the like , feeding is the main issues.
So initial lil test. Got some factory ammo the other day ...which btw eveyone tells me 30-50 GR is the best for this with its 1:14 twist barrel ...but all I saw mostly was 55gr factory ammo...I mean there was some 45 GR vmax stuff from hornady....but yeaaahhh nah not dropping $50 a box for that mess lol
As far as mags: seen a few comments about how these could be mag picky and how there's a few companies making custom or modded mags for these ..... Well one place is out of stock and I'm not paying $150 for the other custom one ..... Nahhh. So just gonna use the same ole mag unused with my creedmore
Ok first up gonna run two rounds from the mag. Will let me test and see how feeding and lock back works and not waste a ton. I tried setting the camera up so y'all could see the round getting picked up buuut didn't work out . Anyhow mag in rack back and let it run like. AK..no babying .
No clue if it picked up an round sk went to pull back to check and this sucker is TIGHT ! had to two hand it but I'll chalk that up to needing a lil break in first... Remember....I paid $216 for this....it's gonna be rough and need a lil work . But it did pick one up Sent it back and Aannnd again And got a lock back on the last round....
Ooooook... So other then all the smoke ok the first round.... No real issues ... Not how this is supposed to be going lol
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So I thought and remembered that alot where saying if they don't full load a mag they usually had pretty good feeding but a full mag would make round nose dive into the feed ramps..... Ok soooo let's try a full mag. So 10rd This should cause feeding issues . Mag in rack it back the same way aannnd
Picked it up perfect.... Interesting..decided to pop this one out and give it a look over and the only thing I could see was the male was a lil dinged up...but not sure if that was from grind against the ramps ejecting or act from feeding
But anyhow shoved that back in and waited for the malfunction but after a few rounds Fed just fine ....so .... Idk if I maybe got a lemon or they upgraded there deal or something but idk ... I'm actually slightly bummed because I was honestly expecting to be doing some tear down work by now but...nope... Interesting. Anyhow my scope ain't getting here till Saturday so might rob one off another rifle and go ahead and do a grouping test tomorrow...no sure yet
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O something I forgot to mention. Noticed my case ejection pattern was.....odd . My very first one went right at 1:30-2:00 o clock. The brass is circled in the the red the you can't really see it And from where I picked it up
But also , I had some go straight out at 3:00 the some at like 4-5 and then back to 1-2 ?.... This round does have a ton of gas in it soabye that has something to do with it but idk
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Wolfie I may buy one. My favorite all winter long truck gun cartridge. If that thing runs good and will reliably shoot 4-5 inch groups at 300, Im telling wife to make her complaints to you when I try one.
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I don't know much about AR's but I bet more recoil from a 22-250 than a 223. Does anyone make stiffer recoil springs? In real life knowing the bolt recoil speed is important. You don't have any way of testing that. But that case holds more powder, so G-force on the buffer is going to be higher. Just a thought.
So decided to just rip the scope off my SPR .223 Wylde . Love this lil ARKEN 4-16 that one of my bipod rear bag and yeah
Same ammo as yesterday same box and everything And gotta say .. I REALLY wish this was a fast twist barrel because look at all the dang room I got ! Boy 1:7 twist with like a 77smk .....sweet Lord....
First deal is to check my lil bore sight at 50yd And yes I'm using a bipod and rear bag...
First shot landed low made an adjust and two more stacked but...50yd isnt a good litmus test imo
Now out to 100yd and move the camera a lil so we can see what it looks like as the BCG picks up a round and...not the best but
So hers how 100ud worked ran five rounds at the center target no adjustment no Chrono graph or anything . One it shows me what the guns will do with a larger group.... Sorry don't trust three found groups the most ... especially with my shooting lol. But also lets me see about what the zeros shift does from 50-100yd. Then I adjusted a bit to try and hit the center and strapped the Magento on and (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) three at the left then took it off and three three on the right without any adjustments to the zero.
And
So with the cheapest factory ammo I saw at bass pro...with what's supposed to be a bit too heavy of a bullet....not .. terrible... Not exactly good ..but usable .
No velocity data unfortunately
But this thing is SUCH a nice deal to shoot like the recoil is extremely mild doesn't really jump or anything either . And the brass .. no crazy dings or anything but definitely have some ejection swipes
So ....again idk what's up here .. I don't know if I got a perfect one or a lemon in the since I'm not having any issues but ... No pierced primers , no nose diving rounds , no messed up brass , I'm getting last round hold open/ lock back .... Idk
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Wolfie I may buy one. My favorite all winter long truck gun cartridge. If that thing runs good and will reliably shoot 4-5 inch groups at 300, Im telling wife to make her complaints to you when I try one.
Like I said I don't know honestly why mine working so well...these supposed to be problem children so I honestly can guarantee yours will work
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I don't know much about AR's but I bet more recoil from a 22-250 than a 223. Does anyone make stiffer recoil springs? In real life knowing the bolt recoil speed is important. You don't have any way of testing that. But that case holds more powder, so G-force on the buffer is going to be higher. Just a thought.
Honestly with this big heavy sucker ... It's barely more then my .223 AR's like I'm serious it's extremely pleasant to shoot... Not like a custom bolt gun or something but ..very nice. And yes theres a while host of buffer spring ad weights a guy can mess with
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Hey Wolfie... I seen that BCA has the whole complete gun in 22-250 in an AR format. I recently just bought a BCA AR 15 in 22 Arc. Have short it about 20 times shooting and cleaning and shooting and cleaning some more hoping to break in my SS barrel. Functioned great ! So far. I have not shot it yet with a scope to see how accurate it is. I am not doing such a detailed testing as you are. Some people like BCA products and some people cuss them. Thanks for this post...
man I been eying there ARC barrels some hard lately! Love that lil cartridge...or at least the idea of it
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Welp...a outta factory ammo so ..guess it's time to start loading... Smoke help me pick because I got a lot Then 40 as 50gr vmaxes are kinda calling to me lol
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Welp got the brass all prepped did some moths and made up some dummys. Seems for smooth chambering and ejecting there gonna be roughly.006 off the lands ... No some of that is probably still just the rifle breaking in and belong rough in the star chamber but we can always play with it more
And no gonna lie...these are kinda sexy lol
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Man you are tempting me. I have always wanted one of these but the bad reviews kept me away. I have over a thousand rounds of .22-250 from the Walmart clearance days and now I’m considering one again
All right all right all right , got a lil time today so LOAD TESTING! So since this thing runs faster out the gap then 95% of my lil arsenal I'm just gonna go with the book and work my way up. With AR's unusual start middle or upper lower end and work my way up due to the gas system and usually shorter barrels taking a lot of juice ..but .. again then thing is running like 3600 at the staring load so
So gonna start out with gonna run the 40gr vmax one , become eveyone and there mom says 35-45 GR is where it's at for .22-250....aannnd two I have three boxes for some reason lol And next for a 55gr SP for anyone who wanted to see that comparison, for ... science I guess lol Running accurate 2460 and honestly... I usually really hate anything other than a stick powder ...but something about this I kinda like .. stuff meeters like dang water . Not a lot of case fill though .... Wild S-D are coming I can tell already lol And a close up of the powder itself And like I said in one of my earlier posts worked out a customer COAl/ C TO...found where the bullet was roughly hitting the rifling , backed it up 0.003" and then some more to facilitate an ease of un chambering. So now we're like 0.006 off the lands .more jump then I like but prefer a lil jump vs possibly getting a chamber full of powder because the bullet was too close for caught in the lands and popped out ..been there done that. And loving this lee micrometer And since it's going in a AR10 with. I much bullet actually int he neck....check it not much at all I gave them just a light kiss of a crimp..just to keep everything in place.. tried to measure and got like .002-.003 worth of crimp .... Swear those lil red tips seated out kinda long...SEXY LOL
And the set up...same as usual, bipod rear bag bench And yes I'm running the Magento. Yes I doing load development with it . I do more of the Cortina method where my velocity takes a bit bigger if a role then group size . Also testing for factory shows this gun isn't super finicky with it so there that. Anyhow I need to my numbers and if something looks really good velocity wise but not group I'll pop it off and revisit it
Ok ok running straight from the mag Was actually super curious if my reload would finally give me some feeding issues so racked the first one dropped the mag carefully took the round jour and inspected it...aannnd nothing I could see
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And shooting , shots where made in groups of five @100yd...no real rhythm or anything just squeezed when I felt good about the shot. After five rounds I'd left the bolt open and go load the next five got a consistent 3:30-4:30 ejection pattern and the recoil was STUPID light ! I mean make a no sense lol. Can see the brass at the lower right here
Anyway groups
Now I don't get a velocity on the very first group because I was still getting the Chrono tuned in but with our 20" barrel we where getting roughly 250-300fps less then what the book said Soo I'd say our start load was probably 3300fps... Which I gotta say is kinda crazy that , THAT is counted as slow lol. But yeah there test rifle was a 26" bolt gun soooo
Also I did switch to smaller targets on the second set. Went for 2" orange stickers to 1" . Thought it might help a lil
O and finally made a lil stand instead of messing with cardboard boxes lol
Also on my last two groups ..d Idk what happened with the first shots . I squeezed them off and they both just felt wrong. Like I was watching bullet impacts on all the others but those two ....idk Anyhow I tossed them as flyers but here's what the groups look like with them....who with us information what you may lol
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Man you are tempting me. I have always wanted one of these but the bad reviews kept me away. I have over a thousand rounds of .22-250 from the Walmart clearance days and now I’m considering one again
Again man I have no clue if I got a lemon or if I'm just doing something no one else is so ...idk I think....it's the mag possibly
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Ok last deal for a while . Decided that thought there cool.... Super fast lil bitty varmint bullets don't really do much for me . I don't really do anything like shooting ground squirrels or prairie dogs soooo something a lil less.... explode_y would be better lol. And with he 1:14 twist I'm about topped out with 55gr bullets... THOUGH apparently people have luck with 60's . Anyhow my two options are And decided to go with he slick slider one ... because....idk I like how non cannulated bullets look
Also going with the other powder I got for this project
Case fill is till below the shoulder a bit.. and staring out with a hight charge for starting just because where loosing an average of 300fps from book
And custom cbto/COAL
And same deal as before
Aanndd
I'll do ballistic x in a bit but currently wrangling my wife and someone else in New Orleans so just wait lol
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Ok got a bit while the woman folk do there makeup they wanna go bar hop on Bourbon Street.... Y'all pray for me I'm be wrangling a complete light weight and a Canadian who loves to drink
Anyhow go to do the ballistic X and
But... Also did a mag test. Most of the people with problems ( WHO ACTUALLY POSTED PICTURES) seemed to be using these straight SR25 style mags. Picked one of these up at bass pro
Thought this could be the problem because it was kinda a common issue with 6.5 Grendel and 7.62 x39 till the started making the slightly curved mags. And as you see my PMAG is kind curved
And a side by side of the two
Now not the best test because I can't fully load the mag up with 10rd... because I only give five rounds left soooo.... But it's something
O also the way the bullets sit in the mag
As far as the test just loaded up my staring load because I had everything set up still and raked the bolt
And it takes all five rounds no issues...
....so ...idk what to tell ya I legit been trying to make this thing not work , not feed annnnd it just keep chugging along so
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