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Just asking questions guys… I’m not much into politics and don’t really listen to talk radio anymore. I had to cut it off… I’ve been getting information from several people that there’s some serious heat building up in venuzula… and not just the drug guys being blown to bits.
I know that Russia has been involved there for years,,, something because of natural resources and geographical strength.
Just been hearing there’s more than just the bomber flyovers for reconnaissance.
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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: foxkidd44]
#8490237 10/22/2510:01 AM10/22/2510:01 AM
There's one or two sf groups who's whole deal is working and training in central and south America... CIA definitely has a few spooks chilling out o down there
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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: foxkidd44]
#8490310 10/22/2512:57 PM10/22/2512:57 PM
I have never heard of a country that has been able to live in peace when it has been targeted by the US's greed for raw materials. The same game as always: regime change to loot the country.
Um, of course to bring democracy, to fight the evil Russians or the drug dealers...
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: foxkidd44]
#8490321 10/22/2501:17 PM10/22/2501:17 PM
There's one or two sf groups who's whole deal is working and training in central and south America... CIA definitely has a few spooks chilling out o down there
Whoaaaa there buddy … I got demoted due to perceived racial slurs lol
Insert profound nonsense here
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: J Staton]
#8490329 10/22/2501:42 PM10/22/2501:42 PM
I have never heard of a country that has been able to live in peace when it has been targeted by the US's greed for raw materials. The same game as always: regime change to loot the country.
Um, of course to bring democracy, to fight the evil Russians or the drug dealers...
I have never heard of a country that has been able to live in peace when it has been targeted by the US's greed for raw materials. The same game as always: regime change to loot the country. Yep. We did a good job of getting rid of Hitler's regime during WW2. We didn't loot the country though, The Russians did; at least the portions they were in control of. We were actually pretty benevolent. When the German soldiers decided to surrender they ran to the American lines rather than the Russians because they knew we'd treat them better. They didn't want to end up in Siberia. lol. Read about the Marshal Plan and the Berlin Airlift sometime. Then tell me who your friends are.
Um, of course to bring democracy, to fight the evil Russians or the drug dealers...I agree.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: SNIPERBBB]
#8490344 10/22/2502:54 PM10/22/2502:54 PM
There's one or two sf groups who's whole deal is working and training in central and south America... CIA definitely has a few spooks chilling out o down there
Whoaaaa there buddy … I got demoted due to perceived racial slurs lol
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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: Wolfdog91]
#8490402 10/22/2504:10 PM10/22/2504:10 PM
[i]Yep. We did a good job of getting rid of Hitler's regime during WW2. We didn't loot the country though, The Russians did; at least the portions they were in control of. We were actually pretty benevolent. When the German soldiers decided to surrender they ran to the American lines rather than the Russians because they knew we'd treat them better. They didn't want to end up in Siberia. lol. Read about the Marshal Plan and the Berlin Airlift sometime. Then tell me who your friends are.
Every student in Germany is preached about the generosity of the United States after World War II and the Berlin Airlift.
In reality, there was extensive looting. It was simply called reparations. Most of the gold and art treasures that were looted were probably never officially listed. The German state's foreign assets were confiscated. Even supposedly neutral Switzerland received a large share of the Nazi gold.
Industrial facilities were dismantled and shipped out of the country in droves, including in the western sectors. Even forests were cut down for reparations, as they had been after the First World War.
Ultimately, we were fortunate that Roosevelt recognized the importance of Germany as a future bulwark against the rising Soviet Union. Otherwise, the Morgenthau Plan would have been implemented.
But that was all Germany was to US strategists. A bulwark designed to slow down a possible Soviet tank attack. They wouldn't have hesitated for a second to wipe out Germany and its population with nuclear weapons to stop the Soviet tanks. We had to live with this awareness.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: foxkidd44]
#8490419 10/22/2504:38 PM10/22/2504:38 PM
But that was all Germany was to US strategists. A bulwark designed to slow down a possible Soviet tank attack. They wouldn't have hesitated for a second to wipe out Germany and its population with nuclear weapons to stop the Soviet tanks. We had to live with this awareness.
Possibly. Though I think tactical precision warheads would be used as opposed to strategic Hiroshima type warheads. Don't think for a minute there aren't plans right now with both Soviet and NATO forces for that very scenario to happen. Soviets, Brits, French all have those plans. It's still a nuclear world. We haven't progressed much since the 50s.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: foxkidd44]
#8490438 10/22/2505:22 PM10/22/2505:22 PM
Possibly. Though I think tactical precision warheads would be used as opposed to strategic warheads Hiroshima type warheads. Don't think for a minute there aren't plans right now with both Soviet and NATO forces for that very scenario to happen. Soviets, Brits, French all have those plans. It's still a nuclear world. We haven't progressed much since the 50s.
The Hiroshima-Bomb was about 15 kT. That is what we consider a tactical warhead now. The Yars intercontinental ballistic missile, which Russia testfired today as part of its nuclear maneuvers, can carry 10 reentry vehicles that can be programmed for individual targets, with 250 kT warheads each, or a total of 2.5 megatons.
The Soviet Union no longer exists. They are fighting each other now. Stalin was Georgian. Khrushchev was Ukrainian. We cannot blame Russia for everything the former Soviet leaders did.
And the era of large, dynamic tank battles is also over. We now live in a new world of drone dominance. Tanks have gone from hunter to prey. Nuclear strategies and tactics have to be adapted to this.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: Manfred]
#8490466 10/22/2506:18 PM10/22/2506:18 PM
Back to the original post I think the CIA has a present’s in almost every country in the world, if nothing else it’s to see if other countries are operating there.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: foxkidd44]
#8490531 10/22/2508:33 PM10/22/2508:33 PM
Manfred, you should be grateful we helped rebuild your country. Hitler and his government HAD to be destroyed. IMO our mistake was letting you Europeans drag us into that mess called WWI. Adolf likely would never have gotten the support he needed if we had just let you folks keep killing each other.
I don't have clue one what Trump has sent anyplace in South America
I would get behind a real war on drugs. Seems to me like its either legalization or put a stop to it. If satellites can find an individual they can find labs and fields.
I dont believe anyone in our government wants to steal Venezuelan oil. They have passed up too many chances at middle eastern countries.
Germany needs to run everything on coal again. You have plenty of it.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: danny clifton]
#8490535 10/22/2508:49 PM10/22/2508:49 PM
Manfred, you should be grateful we helped rebuild your country. Hitler and his government HAD to be destroyed. IMO our mistake was letting you Europeans drag us into that mess called WWI. Adolf likely would never have gotten the support he needed if we had just let you folks keep killing each other.
I don't have clue one what Trump has sent anyplace in South America
I would get behind a real war on drugs. Seems to me like its either legalization or put a stop to it. If satellites can find an individual they can find labs and fields.
I dont believe anyone in our government wants to steal Venezuelan oil. They have passed up too many chances at middle eastern countries.
Germany needs to run everything on coal again. You have plenty of it.
He's fixing to hit you with an AI generated answer that will be partially correct.
Honor a Soldier. Be the kind of American worth fighting for.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: foxkidd44]
#8490604 10/22/2510:02 PM10/22/2510:02 PM
He's fixing to hit you with an AI generated answer that will be partially correct.
I don't use AI except for translation. While I'm used to reading English, I lack practice writing it.
Originally Posted by danny clifton
Manfred, you should be grateful we helped rebuild your country.
I am. I'm just noting that the US didn't do this solely for charitable reasons.
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Hitler and his government HAD to be destroyed.
There is no doubt about that.
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IMO our mistake was letting you Europeans drag us into that mess called WWI. Adolf likely would never have gotten the support he needed if we had just let you folks keep killing each other.
Hitler was heavily supported by US capital. And your powerful people played the Second World War very well. In the end, the British Empire collapsed, the US rose from a regional power to a global power, and the US dollar became the world's reserve currency.
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I would get behind a real war on drugs. Seems to me like its either legalization or put a stop to it. If satellites can find an individual they can find labs and fields.
We've tried to suppress drug trafficking for decades, and yet it has become increasingly powerful. I now also believe that legalization is the better way. But legalization must be implemented correctly to deprive drug trafficking of its economic basis while simultaneously protecting drug addicts as best as possible. In my observation, Portugal has the best model for this so far: free drugs and intensive support for addicts by social workers. Other countries have relied on models similar to those used for cigarettes: legalized drug trafficking by companies instead of the mafia. But these companies also have a strong interest in creating more drug addicts. The drug addicts don't receive the help they need, and the state profits from it through taxes. So the companies and the state themselves become the new drug dealers, while prices remain high enough to ensure that the illegal drug trade continues to be profitable.
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I dont believe anyone in our government wants to steal Venezuelan oil. They have passed up too many chances at middle eastern countries.
The US is extracting and selling off its own oil and gas reserves at a record pace. Trump therefore has good reasons why he would gladly incorporate Canada and Greenland into the US. And the oil- and gas-rich countries in Central and South America will not find peace either. If not Trump, then it will be one of the next US presidents who actively tries to install US-friendly regimes there again.
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Germany needs to run everything on coal again. You have plenty of it.
In Germany, climate propaganda was played out more intensively than in any other country in the world, in order to cut us off from the Russian resources that were the lifeblood of our manufacturing economy. The majority of the population is firmly convinced of an impending climate catastrophe. See, for example, the climate referendum in the state of Hamburg on October 12, 2025. 53.2% of the population voted for further tightening of "climate protection." By 2040, all fossil heating systems in the city-state must be replaced with renewable energy. The gas grid is to be completely shut down. Traffic throughout the city is to be limited to 30 km/h. Etc., etc. Economic suicide on demand. The economic situation must become much worse than it already is for the population to understand. Adjusted for inflation, our economic output has declined by 25% over the past 30 years. No other Western country has such a poor record. We create our own Morgenthau Plan...
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: foxkidd44]
#8490698 10/23/2506:11 AM10/23/2506:11 AM
I guess for whatever reason we have to keep a few American hating people on here.
China's about taking over all of central America, imagine the 'drug war' is a good excuse for us to move troops and ships down there. Should of never financed China taking over the world in the first place!
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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: Manfred]
#8490758 10/23/2508:14 AM10/23/2508:14 AM
Most of your wars starting from 1775 were about some kind of resources.
So why did we give back mexico and why didnt we get any oil from iraq and why havent we annexed canada and greenland? Maybe the indian wars under "manifest destiny" era were for "resources.
You lost me with the "free drugs and intensive support for addicts", Another welfare program is NOT what we need!
You have to consider the overall social costs of procurement crime an combating drug trafficking that we are paying today. If a good solution for the drug problem would reduce these by 80 %-90% society would save a lot of money despide the costs for social workers. And think about the children born into junkie families, how much their future life's work and their contribution to society could improve.
But I was raised Christian, so I might have a distorted view of social Darwinism...
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: SNIPERBBB]
#8490868 10/23/2512:01 PM10/23/2512:01 PM
So why did we give back mexico and why didnt we get any oil from iraq and why havent we annexed canada and greenland? Maybe the indian wars under "manifest destiny" era were for "resources.
Questions only your strategists could answer.
My guess is: occupying Canada would currently cost more than it would bring in. You already get Canadian raw materials below world market prices, and mining is often carried out by companies with a high proportion of US ownership. Would the costs of an occupation really be justified by increased profits? And if you take Greenland by force, you could lose half of NATO as a partners. One of the major concerns of the Heartland strategists.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: foxkidd44]
#8490929 10/23/2502:46 PM10/23/2502:46 PM
Looks like a formation of MV-22 Osprey and a Bombardier E-11A command aircraft are on their way from Puerto Rico to the south. Maybe someone is getting a visit tonight.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: Manfred]
#8490933 10/23/2503:15 PM10/23/2503:15 PM
You lost me with the "free drugs and intensive support for addicts", Another welfare program is NOT what we need!
You have to consider the overall social costs of procurement crime an combating drug trafficking that we are paying today. If a good solution for the drug problem would reduce these by 80 %-90% society would save a lot of money despide the costs for social workers. And think about the children born into junkie families, how much their future life's work and their contribution to society could improve.
But I was raised Christian, so I might have a distorted view of social Darwinism...
The problem is your "solution" won't work. Look at the cities who have jumped on this bandwagon.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: BandB]
#8490937 10/23/2503:23 PM10/23/2503:23 PM
These zombie zoos are about the opposite of what Portugal does.
And Portugal hasn't even fully implemented what I'm suggesting. They still have drug trafficking, and thus the dealers' interest in getting people addicted because there's no free drug distribution.
But at least they offer programs with methadone, etc.
The junkies are in much better health than in the US, the number of addicts has decreased, and some are even finding their way back to a somewhat normal life.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: foxkidd44]
#8490960 10/23/2504:34 PM10/23/2504:34 PM
You do realize you can't compare Portugal to the US, right ? Portugal is comparative to Indiana or Maine.
In fact, I believe Portugal is one of the best comparisons between the US and Europe. The population is concentrated in the coastal metropolitan area. There's a lot of immigration from South America and connections to South America through colonial history. There are numerous smuggling routes into the country from South America and Africa. And these measures work despite the open borders and freedom of residence within the EU.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: Manfred]
#8491219 Yesterday at04:27 AMYesterday at04:27 AM
I have never heard of a country that has been able to live in peace when it has been targeted by the US's greed for raw materials. The same game as always: regime change to loot the country.
Um, of course to bring democracy, to fight the evil Russians or the drug dealers...
A good read is "confessions of an economic hitman" by John Perkins.
He was involved in alot of this and spells out how the US did this stuff.
To believe that the US is "total innocent" is burying your head in the sand.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: foxkidd44]
#8491243 Yesterday at05:57 AMYesterday at05:57 AM
We that elected Trump did so because the last whoever was running things was going to destroy our country with unbridled, illegal immigration that's prevalent in Europe. Along with the illegals walking across our border were drugs in their historical numbers that he also said had to stop.
My partner in business had a boy that died from these drugs, A boy you would never think being he was raised right but somehow got caught up in it. Anyhow, I'm not naive enough to think this can be completely eliminated but hopeful for other families that these drugs get scarce enough it saves a significant number of our kids.
As for resources, been fighting for them since man figured out what they were but I'm not totally convinced that is this President's reason. Change of regime for sure but not a take over of the country.
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: Manfred]
#8491457 Yesterday at02:01 PMYesterday at02:01 PM
For what it’s worth, “we” the people are cannon fodder for politicians who can’t say no to war related money going to their districts. WE the people get our parts blown off unless politician’s kids are on the firing line losing theirs. Money and resources speak the words politicians understand. It’s hard to believe lifetime politicians represent us when their whole working lives are spent looking for deep-pocket donations.
This has nothing to do with preserving the honor of America. Violating the sovereignty of Venezuela has nothing to do with us. It’s just a political attempt to gain resource favor…at the cost of American lives.
Never too old to learn
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: foxkidd44]
#8491548 Yesterday at04:51 PMYesterday at04:51 PM
"Next we will hear is we killed a boat with a father just trying to make a living fishing and supporting his poor Venezuelan family."
That's been done already....maybe a fisherman is crewing, but he ain't fishing....You see those 3 big engines on the back? No fisherman can afford one of those.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: gcs]
#8491587 Yesterday at06:24 PMYesterday at06:24 PM
"Next we will hear is we killed a boat with a father just trying to make a living fishing and supporting his poor Venezuelan family."
That's been done already....maybe a fisherman is crewing, but he ain't fishing....You see those 3 big engines on the back? No fisherman can afford one of those.
Exactly.
An old man roaming the Rockies
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
#8491599 Yesterday at06:45 PMYesterday at06:45 PM
"Next we will hear is we killed a boat with a father just trying to make a living fishing and supporting his poor Venezuelan family."
That's been done already....maybe a fisherman is crewing, but he ain't fishing....You see those 3 big engines on the back? No fisherman can afford one of those.
Exactly.
Fishermen would stop when ordered to too. They wouldn't run like the drug dealers do.
Keith
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela?
[Re: foxkidd44]
#8491622 Yesterday at07:16 PMYesterday at07:16 PM
We have military “groups” whose sole purpose of existence is South America. So yeah, we have forces, known and unknown, everywhere down there. I wouldn’t be surprised if all the boats becoming fish food is the result of boots on the ground intel.