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There but for the Grace of God go I #8507865
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Dan Barnhurst Offline OP
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Who gets to choose what parents they are born to, their birth nation, ethnicity, religion they are taught by their parents, skin, eye and hair color, political biases? What would your life be like if you were born in Africa, Colombia or China or Haiti or Gaza or ---?

How will Christ judge all of us fairly when we are all born and raised in such different circumstances, with different advantages or disadvantages?

I believe all of us on earth are children of a loving God, brothers and sisters. And Christ teaches us we should love one another, even our enemies.

I believe as a nation we must defend our interests around the world, control our borders, and deport illegal aliens, and guard against muslim terrorists and sedition from within.

It's easy to hate an entire class of people that have harmed us or our ancestors and that mean to destroy us. But how does God view it all?

I remember watching a youtube video during Desert Storm. It was taken from the air at night with night vision. Two men in a big truck stopped, got out and retrieved a big shoulder fired rocket launcher from the side of the road. When the tracers from our shells came in from the side totally obliterating the men and the truck, I remember feeling totally thrilled by the efficiency our enemies were killed with.

A few seconds later, I remembered a recent talk in church about us all being children of God, brothers and sisters, and that we should love one another, even our enemies. But it's not easy to love our enemies that want to kill our troops and us. And I thought about it for a long time. What were those two men's childhoods like? How were they taught? If I were born in their shoes would i do any different? I know it was wrong for me to be exhilarated with watching them die. But I know it was the right thing for our military to kill them.

I think we should all step back and think about "There but for the Grace of God go I" once in a while. How would you be any different if you grew up in their shoes?


United we stand.
Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8507876
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Everyone thinks they are in the right. My government tells us they are the bad guys theirs says we are. little to any chance anyone across the ocean is going to be a threat to me. Much greater threats have come from the southern border and our own government with the talk of needing f 15s. But if so and our guns are useless why do they seem to want them so bad?

To answer the question. If its all you know and have been brought up with its how you are going to respond. Thinking different likely has not been tauget as an option and highly discouraged.

Become a threat to me, mine, and those around me and I will kill them as nicely and effectively as possible and love them while doing so.

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Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8507889
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I believe that we all know the good that we have been taught, right from wrong. It’s up to us to do good individually. God will judge us all individually. I believe it’s right to have compassion and empathy, but those soldiers on both sides im sure felt they were doing the right thing.

Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8507902
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…. Got yourself a soft spot for commies, cannibals and camel jockeys there do ya boy ? Lol


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Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Savell] #8507928
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Originally Posted by Savell
…. Got yourself a soft spot for commies, cannibals and camel jockeys there do ya boy ? Lol


Trying not to be a hater is a work progress Savell. I'm just trying to follow Christ's teachings is all. I think this old world would be a much better place without all the hatred. And we would all be better off with softer hearts sir.


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Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8507945
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Personally, I love watching videos of our military heroes turning our enemies into mincemeat. It's very uplifting.


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Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8507946
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Originally Posted by Dan Barnhurst
Originally Posted by Savell
…. Got yourself a soft spot for commies, cannibals and camel jockeys there do ya boy ? Lol


Trying not to be a hater is a work progress Savell. I'm just trying to follow Christ's teachings is all. I think this old world would be a much better place without all the hatred. And we would all be better off with softer hearts sir.


…. Soft heart is a recipe for becoming victims

.. god made my people conquerors… I think we should embrace that instead of giving everything away to those who would squander it


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Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8507947
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Does my heart good to hear thoughts such as yours Danny. We need more of that in America these days.


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Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8507999
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The last shall be first! And first shall be last.

Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508010
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Jesus didn't say "love your enemies, except for..." there's no exception clause in there, as much as we would like there to be. "But, God, they did this terrible thing. " God: "Did I stutter?"


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508018
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Really like this post goodfor you for starting it.your a better person than I.

Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508033
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Problem seems to be that 69% of the world ain't on board with Christianity. A big chunk of those folks are vehemently against that notion and will kill you where you stand if they find you out.
Its been like that for thousands of years and will likely go on for thousands more.
Save as many as you can reach I guess, but don't expect significant change globally.
Maybe we need us some Old Testament God to step in with some strategic Fire and Brimstone.

Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: PAskinner] #8508048
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
Jesus didn't say "love your enemies, except for..." there's no exception clause in there, as much as we would like there to be. "But, God, they did this terrible thing. " God: "Did I stutter?"


Also God:

Proclaim this among the nations: Consecrate for war; stir up the mighty men. Let all the men of war draw near; let them come up.


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Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508050
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Originally Posted by Dan Barnhurst
Originally Posted by Savell
…. Got yourself a soft spot for commies, cannibals and camel jockeys there do ya boy ? Lol


Trying not to be a hater is a work progress Savell. I'm just trying to follow Christ's teachings is all. I think this old world would be a much better place without all the hatred. And we would all be better off with softer hearts sir.


You don't have to hate your enemies as long as you can coldly kill them when the need arises, to protect your people. Many men can't kill without hate, because they run off of emotion, rather than logic, There's a flaw in them that they can't just kill when necessary. Logically they might know killing is the right thing to do, but their emotions reign them in from doing it, unless they can make hate the predominant emotion.

If it's necessary for my people's lives to continue, that someone else must die, I'll kill them without hate, because it's the right thing to do.

Keith

Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508052
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Dan done good ! I need to look in the mirror and remember what Dan said . We will all get to find out who is right on judgement day .Love your neighbor as your self .


You can ride a fast horse slow but you can't ride a slow horse fast .
Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508053
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… what if your neighbor is a child predator… or yankee transplant… something like that ?


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Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508054
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Dan, I also wonder about these things. Sometimes we are pretty quick to judge others' actions without understanding their upbringing their education, their trials even their mental acuity. With regard to how They will be judged, I'm a bit fuzzy on that, but I'm pretty sure there will be provisions for those who didn't get a fair shake. I also have hope that Christ is more merciful and understanding than maybe any of us can comprehend.

Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: yotetrapper30] #8508056
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Personally, I love watching videos of our military heroes turning our enemies into mincemeat. It's very uplifting.



I agree


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Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508057
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"If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men." Romans 12:18
Savell would like these preachers of old...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSJHK1T4-q4

Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508068
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If someone is an immediate threat to your people, or you, it makes absolutely no difference what their motivation is, you end the threat. If you have time, then you can look into their motivation and try to change or break it.

Keith

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