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Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Savell] #8508161
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Originally Posted by Savell
Originally Posted by Dan Barnhurst
Are you trying to pick a fight with Jesus Savell, or just some of us sinners that believe in Him, and are trying to be better and live by his commandments? Jesus did not look at sin with the least bit of tolerance, but loved the sinners and provided a path for repentance and forgiveness.


…. Just loving my neighbors and enemies as commanded

… and fighting Jesus would be too easy … as he’d just keep turning the other cheek like glass Joe in Mike Tyson’s punch out


Glass Joe? Lmao

The sandman gave me problems then, and is giving me problems now..lol

Ol dad

Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508162
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Yote…. I’m sorry

… you beautiful misguided child of all things sacred


Insert profound nonsense here
Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508165
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… that was my point ol dad … glass just stand in front of you and let you hit him


Insert profound nonsense here
Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Savell] #8508166
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Originally Posted by Savell
… Dan loves me you heathern!


More than you love...... oh nevermind.....


Proudly banned from the NTA.

Bother me tomorrow. Today I'll buy no sorrows.
Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Savell] #8508174
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Originally Posted by Savell
… that was my point ol dad … glass just stand in front of you and let you hit him


"Watch the jaw! Don't hit my jaw!"

Keith

Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508238
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Of course we have to defend our loved ones, but who doesn't want a world where everyone is peaceful and an end to conflict? If you want strife, there's something wrong with you.


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508240
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America first. We are Christians here. Those other outfits can go under, and we might have to help put them there.


"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508246
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Too many "Christians" have a warped misunderstanding of what Jesus would do or like us to do. I hear this political tough (and empty) talk infecting the Catholic Church too.

Good post, Dan.

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Originally Posted by Dan Barnhurst
Who gets to choose what parents they are born to, their birth nation, ethnicity, religion they are taught by their parents, skin, eye and hair color, political biases? What would your life be like if you were born in Africa, Colombia or China or Haiti or Gaza or ---?



You’re right we don’t get to choose, hence, Ye must be born again”.

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Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508334
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Do you think our national can wipe out illegal drugs if it was a national priority? I do

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Originally Posted by charles
Do you think our national can wipe out illegal drugs if it was a national priority? I do

Trillions of dollars later and no closer to winning the war on drugs than in the beginning, heck maybe even further away. I'm not sure you can fully stop anything, illegal or not.

Also, it is nice to see some Christians following some of Jesus' teachings. Sometimes I wonder if religion is just a label and often the actions of the religious show that it is. This thread gives hope despite also indicating that it is a label for some..

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Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508384
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Originally Posted by Dan Barnhurst
Who gets to choose what parents they are born to, their birth nation, ethnicity, religion they are taught by their parents, skin, eye and hair color, political biases? What would your life be like if you were born in Africa, Colombia or China or Haiti or Gaza or ---?

How will Christ judge all of us fairly when we are all born and raised in such different circumstances, with different advantages or disadvantages?

I believe all of us on earth are children of a loving God, brothers and sisters. And Christ teaches us we should love one another, even our enemies.

I believe as a nation we must defend our interests around the world, control our borders, and deport illegal aliens, and guard against muslim terrorists and sedition from within.

It's easy to hate an entire class of people that have harmed us or our ancestors and that mean to destroy us. But how does God view it all?

I remember watching a youtube video during Desert Storm. It was taken from the air at night with night vision. Two men in a big truck stopped, got out and retrieved a big shoulder fired rocket launcher from the side of the road. When the tracers from our shells came in from the side totally obliterating the men and the truck, I remember feeling totally thrilled by the efficiency our enemies were killed with.

A few seconds later, I remembered a recent talk in church about us all being children of God, brothers and sisters, and that we should love one another, even our enemies. But it's not easy to love our enemies that want to kill our troops and us. And I thought about it for a long time. What were those two men's childhoods like? How were they taught? If I were born in their shoes would i do any different? I know it was wrong for me to be exhilarated with watching them die. But I know it was the right thing for our military to kill them.

I think we should all step back and think about "There but for the Grace of God go I" once in a while. How would you be any different if you grew up in their shoes?

If the rest of the world felt the way you do, it would be great. Unfortunately, they don't. They have no regard for human life or freedom. Thank goodness we do and will defend those rights.


There was this bar that was so rough they checked you for a gun and if you didn't have one, they gave you one.
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Originally Posted by Dan Barnhurst
Who gets to choose what parents they are born to, their birth nation, ethnicity, religion they are taught by their parents, skin, eye and hair color, political biases? What would your life be like if you were born in Africa, Colombia or China or Haiti or Gaza or ---?

How will Christ judge all of us fairly when we are all born and raised in such different circumstances, with different advantages or disadvantages?

I believe all of us on earth are children of a loving God, brothers and sisters. And Christ teaches us we should love one another, even our enemies.

I believe as a nation we must defend our interests around the world, control our borders, and deport illegal aliens, and guard against muslim terrorists and sedition from within.

It's easy to hate an entire class of people that have harmed us or our ancestors and that mean to destroy us. But how does God view it all?

I remember watching a youtube video during Desert Storm. It was taken from the air at night with night vision. Two men in a big truck stopped, got out and retrieved a big shoulder fired rocket launcher from the side of the road. When the tracers from our shells came in from the side totally obliterating the men and the truck, I remember feeling totally thrilled by the efficiency our enemies were killed with.

A few seconds later, I remembered a recent talk in church about us all being children of God, brothers and sisters, and that we should love one another, even our enemies. But it's not easy to love our enemies that want to kill our troops and us. And I thought about it for a long time. What were those two men's childhoods like? How were they taught? If I were born in their shoes would i do any different? I know it was wrong for me to be exhilarated with watching them die. But I know it was the right thing for our military to kill them.

I think we should all step back and think about "There but for the Grace of God go I" once in a while. How would you be any different if you grew up in their shoes?



Luke 3:14
Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?” He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay.”

soldiers and cops were sort of the same thing back then but I think that it is rather understanding of you have a job to do , do it well with the least violence needed and don't abuse your power.


I think it is ok to be Yeah , for the safety pf our GI's they took out the threat before it could harm them. but in the next breath maybe you say , and may those two souls rest in peace.

think of the wars of England and France like the 100 years war , they were Christian fighting Christian often over god , seems such a waste , any way Muslim seems so anti Christian and I suppose it is , yet it is the same god of Abraham that we both recognize. again seems such a waste.

deporting people who have come to a country that is not theirs is not wrong so long as it is done fairly and with kindness. also most of the people at least around here that are or were deported were coming directly out of our jails.

putting people in prison or deporting them is not the wrong , how we treat them when we put them in prison or deport them is wrong.
perhaps the reasons they are being deported may be an issue , but if you came to the US committed crimes against citizens deportation seems rather fair.

so it is mixed , like the soldiers asking Jesus what is your advice for us , his response don't abuse your authority , avoid violence when you can.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: There but for the Grace of God go I [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8508387
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So its the drug suppliers fault people chose to put drugs in their body? Blow up all the boats kill them on land will not stop the flow. They will adapt as long as there is demand and its profitable. They are just supplying what Americans want. Point your fingers outward becuse its easier to do the fix the problem at home.

I have trouble having any sympathy for drug addicts its self inflicted. I know thats hard for some here that have lost loved ones to drugs and are dealing with addicts now. But the truth is hard facts over ride feelings. I have had addicts in my family its tough. But its self inflicted their choice and we can't control their actions. Ultimately its the addicts driving the drug trade with demand.

Its more complex than we can stop them coming in. No we can't may slow it down temporarily and spike prices. but it won't stop. It will never stop as long as demand is there and money to be made. It will take a combined approach. Stop being soft on crime would be a good start.

The Philippines approach seems successful but the US doesn't have the stomach for it.

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