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Laser Tech Range Shooting #8517134
12/05/25 06:26 AM
12/05/25 06:26 AM
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HobbieTrapper Offline OP
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I can see where it is beneficial for situational decision making but can it improve actual accuracy?


-Goofy
Re: Laser Tech Range Shooting [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8517145
12/05/25 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I can see where it is beneficial for situational decision making but can it improve actual accuracy?



Well, first you need to explain what it is, lol

Re: Laser Tech Range Shooting [Re: DaveP] #8517147
12/05/25 06:58 AM
12/05/25 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveP
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I can see where it is beneficial for situational decision making but can it improve actual accuracy?



Well, first you need to explain what it is, lol


How They Work
Laser Cartridge/Gun: A laser device (often a dummy round) fits into your actual firearm or a special training gun, emitting a laser pulse with each trigger pull.
Sensor/App: A sensor or smartphone app detects the laser dot, registers the hit on a target (digital or physical), and provides immediate feedback.
Data & Analysis: Systems track shot placement, timing, and consistency, offering scores and analytics to diagnose issues and track progress.
Key Components & Examples
Laser Cartridges: Like Laser Ammo or Strikeman, these go into your gun.
Interactive Targets: Electronic targets (e.g., Laser Ammo) or apps (e.g., iTarget Pro, Mantis Laser Academy) that react to the laser.
All-in-One Systems: MantisX (X10 Elite for analysis), Strikeman (laser cartridge & app), Mantis Blackbeard (for AR-15s).
Full Simulators: Laser Range uses a projector and computer for immersive scenarios.
Benefits
Cost-Effective: No ammo costs.
Convenient: Practice safely at home.
Skill Development: Builds muscle memory, improves trigger control, and sharpens accuracy.
Engaging: Makes dry-fire practice more interactive and fun.


-Goofy
Re: Laser Tech Range Shooting [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8517148
12/05/25 06:59 AM
12/05/25 06:59 AM
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It depends on the range of your shots. At home defense distances it should help. At windage distances not so much. IMHO


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Re: Laser Tech Range Shooting [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8517150
12/05/25 07:06 AM
12/05/25 07:06 AM
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No expert by any means just self taught. My way of thinking on this. Any time your pulling the trigger and trying to stay on target develops muscle memory. Also builds on hand eye target thing. Some of my best falls wing shooting birds. I had played lots of paintball with the kids in summer. Shooting is shooting if your doing it correctly. Has to help

Mac


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Re: Laser Tech Range Shooting [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8517152
12/05/25 07:09 AM
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I'm going to say no to improving accuracy. To do that you need feedback on accuracy - like " that was high" or "that was low" with laser tag the only feedback is "hit" or "miss". I think you need actual range time with a paper target to improve accuracy.

Re: Laser Tech Range Shooting [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8517169
12/05/25 07:42 AM
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Ok, thanks.

Have used the laser cartridges before, but not the whole target system.
Will call out target and have wife draw from holster, find target and shoot.

Walking through house;

" Turkey mount"
"Aunty Betty's oil lamp"
" That chair I hate"

Down side is, must manually cycle slide each time

As far as accuracy, not sure, but has REALLY helped her draw to fire times.

Re: Laser Tech Range Shooting [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8517323
12/05/25 11:24 AM
12/05/25 11:24 AM
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(Warining - long detailed suggestions to improve your shooting - don't waste your time if not interested:)

Check that the guns magazine are unloaded. Check that the gun is unloaded. check that you have no live ammunition on your person or in the room. Now lets practice.

Frequent practice of shooting skills (CORRECTLY) is crucial if you want to improve your accuracy and speed.

Laser training systems are good tools that can be helpful in giving feedback on what your doing wrong with stance, grip, sight alignment and trigger control. When you squeeze the trigger the laser hit shows you where you hit in relation to where you were trying to hit without the distractions of muzzle blast and recoil. As stated above, it is only one shot at a time then you have to cycle the slide for the next shot. When you do this most will move their trigger finger to slightly different contact with the trigger between shots. This is the enemy to precision shooting.

To mitigate that drawback I had officers pair up for dryfire practice. The helper stands to the side of the shooter firmly holding the wrist of the shooter's gunhand. When the "shot" is fired the helper uses his other hand to cycle the slide. The shooter can then focus on sight alignment, trigger control, maintaining gun on target through the cocking and trigger reset, and firing again. With a short bit of practice between the two, the shooter can "shoot" in a natural rythem getting instant feedback for each shot in a string of shots. The goal is to apply all forces to the gun completely neutral to the laser beam light path (Stance, grip, consistantly holding sights properly aligned on the target) while trigger finger presses the center of the trigger with the center of the finger pad directly to the rear in alignment with that laser beam. If done correctly the sights will not move and the laser will hit your aiming point. When done incorrectly the laser will hit where the forces you applied pushed or pulled it, and you can evaluate what you did wrong.

Most misses are due to incorrect trigger control. Miss to the left - trigger finger pad not centered and pushing the trigger to the left. Miss to right - trigger finger pad not centered and pulling the trigger to the right when firing. Miss down - trigger finger pad not centered (usually to low on the trigger) and pulled down on the trigger. Missed high - finger pad not centered (usually too high on the trigger) and pulled up at the shot.

You can still miss with perfect trigger control if you have developed a flinching habit and move the whole gun off target before the trigger breaks. So, practice focus on keeping the front sight properly aligned with no movement while pressing the trigger properly aligned with the laser beam.

With practice the sights stay properly aligned and stay on target until the trigger is correctly pressed and the laser hits the aiming point. When you can quickly see and understand what you did that caused a miss you can correct it quickly and train the brain and muscle memory to consistently hit your aiming point.

The next element which you can train to do with a helper cyclying the slide for you is proper TRIGGER RESET. With proper trigger reset you never take your finger off the trigger between shots until you decide to stop firing. In fact after each shot you keep the trigger pressed until you decide to let it move forward and reset (without letting your finger go any farther forward after you feel and hear the trigger reset). So you keep sights aligned, press the trigger, hit the target, do controlled trigger reset and repeat. With proper trigger rest you place your trigger finger properly on the trigger ONCE before the first shot and it stays there totally in control of all trigger movement until after the last shot.

When you keep the sights aligned on target correctly, and press the trigger correctly, and reset the trigger correctly and repeat smoothly it will all click into place with the brain and muscle memory connection. Then you can build speed while maintaining accuracy. (slow is smooth, smooth is fast, and fast is deadly).

You can practice all the same skills using snap caps (dummy rounds) with a friend and progress to a mix of live rounds with the dummy rounds.

The beauty of the lasers is it shows your actual hits.

I hope this helps someone.


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Re: Laser Tech Range Shooting [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8517335
12/05/25 11:46 AM
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yes and dan makes some good points about teaching NPOA , trigger control , grip and shooting off the reset

we used to intro the shooting off the reset with a partner much the way dan does , after the concept was grasped , then live fire. we didn't have lasers

are they necessary , no

can they be a tool , yes

do they possibly speed teaching in some cases , yes

another tool to break down the steps , think them through and not be distracted by the noise and recoil

also why I like 22lr for teaching accurate shooting with a handgun.

dry fire training if you can not lie to yourself , just watching the sites where they end up as/after the trigger breaks does the same but too many people can't not lie to themselves.

I would make the argument , your first round out of the holster matters the most , so practicing with a partner after the concept is learned isn't needed.
for that rack the slide , holster , use a random beep and practice first round out of the holster

at some point you do need noise and recoil and live fire. The problem is too many people go to the range to expend ammo and not have a plan to how to best use that ammo. they like to do the fun or what they are good at

DOT torture is a good place to start with your first 50 rounds of a practice session , separating fun sessions from practice sessions.
after you shoot DOT torture , practice the things you sucked at till they are better then leave yourself a couple mags of fun at the end.


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