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Re: Poor, middle class, wealthy, rich
[Re: Providence Farm]
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12/19/25 11:51 AM
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Where does the wealth transfer come from???
Taxes and money printing
The devaluation of the dollar is the biggest tax of them all
The value of the dollar(purchasing power) declines as they print more money
People/regions/countries are poor because they don’t produce enough
It’s always been like that,,,,always will be
Last edited by spjones; 12/19/25 11:54 AM.
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Re: Poor, middle class, wealthy, rich
[Re: Providence Farm]
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12/19/25 11:57 AM
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You missed borrowing to hand out money.
"John Maynard Keynes argued that governments should stimulate the economy during recessions by increasing spending, even if it means running a budget deficit through borrowing."
Stop borrowing and spending and see what happens.
Last edited by Dirt; 12/19/25 12:03 PM.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Poor, middle class, wealthy, rich
[Re: Dirt]
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12/19/25 12:33 PM
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Seriously, Capitalism will raise the quality of life for all people, but the current poor don't get all their wealth from capitalist activities. They get it from wealth transfer programs. They certainly could not live as well as they do without government handout programs. Same could be said for some businesses.
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Re: Poor, middle class, wealthy, rich
[Re: Providence Farm]
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12/19/25 01:26 PM
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Foresure,,,, the people in power(politicians) learned long ago
That if they give the people free stuff,,, they stay in power longer
The left has mastered this
Back to the debt
Debt isn’t a bad thing,,,, people/goverments/ businesses need to borrow money,,,,for a fee( interest)
Just like people need to be rewarded for depositing money in a bank and receive compensation(fee/interest)
It greases the whole system,,,,,
Of course debt must be repaid,,,,
Fractional reserve banking is when it becomes a problem,,,,
Again,,,,,The monetary system is broken
If people/regions/countries consume(spend) more than they produce(earn),,,, they will fail
Doesn’t matter how many “figures” you’re talking about
It’s a universal law of the galaxy
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Re: Poor, middle class, wealthy, rich
[Re: WI Outdoors]
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12/19/25 01:44 PM
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If a household makes 200,000 a year and is broke, are they still rich? If you owe a million dollars does that make you a millionaire?
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Re: Poor, middle class, wealthy, rich
[Re: teepee2]
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12/19/25 01:59 PM
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If a household makes 200,000 a year and is broke, are they still rich? If you owe a million dollars does that make you a millionaire? If you have 2 million in the bank,,,,,, than yes But u already knew this I’m sure Hopefully
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Re: Poor, middle class, wealthy, rich
[Re: Providence Farm]
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12/19/25 04:13 PM
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I read this a long time ago. Not sure who to credit for this wisdom. “It is easier for a poor person to be rich, than it is for a rich person to be poor.”
I grew up very poor. Learned every skill possible to help myself and others and have marketable skills. “The more you know, the easier life is.” Worked hard to get an excellent education to help myself and others and have marketable skills. Worked hard to be prepared for opportunities, then looked for opportunities. Illnesses and injuries can break any person or family.
We have been and are blessed by God. We will be forever grateful.
FRAC LIVES MATTER
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Re: Poor, middle class, wealthy, rich
[Re: WI Outdoors]
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Yesterday at 08:13 AM
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Buying a car- poor people: how much is the payment? Rich people: how much is the car?.....Dave Ramsey Dave Ramsey is a fine “personal finance” advisor,,,for the financially illiterate,,,, which is unfortunately almost everyone,,,,by design He’s a terrible economist Many/most high net worth folks understand that “making payments” “leasing” automobiles, air craft, boats, ( not going to add spouses lol) etc just makes sense There’s an old saying,,,, “If it flys,floats or . You’re better off renting it” It’s extremely accurate
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Re: Poor, middle class, wealthy, rich
[Re: spjones]
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Buying a car- poor people: how much is the payment? Rich people: how much is the car?.....Dave Ramsey Dave Ramsey is a fine “personal finance” advisor,,,for the financially illiterate,,,, which is unfortunately almost everyone,,,,by design He’s a terrible economist Many/most high net worth folks understand that “making payments” “leasing” automobiles, air craft, boats, ( not going to add spouses lol) etc just makes sense There’s an old saying,,,, “If it flys,floats or . You’re better off renting it” It’s extremely accurate And you're a better economist? I would say this post is all the evidence I need to refute that. For 99.9% of the people reading this, that's bad advice. This is coming from a person who has not made a car payment since 1985. I simply refuse to borrow money for anything that depreciates in value. This is a philosophy that has made a huge difference for me; I definitely can see how much better, and especially freer, my life has been because of it. There is no way I could have had the incredible life I have if I had done it any other way. There is a reason they call it debt FREE. I like to call it FREEDOM from debt, with the emphasis on FREE.
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Re: Poor, middle class, wealthy, rich
[Re: Dirt]
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Seriously, Capitalism will raise the quality of life for all people, but the current poor don't get all their wealth from capitalist activities. They get it from wealth transfer programs. They certainly could not live as well as they do without government handout programs. Of course they could. Those programs make them poorer and they don't even realize it.
"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
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Re: Poor, middle class, wealthy, rich
[Re: Providence Farm]
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Yesterday at 08:53 AM
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Being debt free is not necessarily being free
True freedom comes when you’ve produced enough,,,,, that you’ll never consume it all in your lifetime
The amount varies with each individual/ lifestyle
If you’re banking on a government pension,,,, to carry you on to the end
You’re not free
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Re: Poor, middle class, wealthy, rich
[Re: spjones]
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Yesterday at 08:59 AM
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Being debt free is not necessarily being free
True freedom comes when you’ve produced enough,,,,, that you’ll never consume it all in your lifetime
The amount varies with each individual/ lifestyle
If you’re banking on a government pension,,,, to carry you on to the end
You’re not free
You have obviously never experienced it or you wouldn't say that. I see people stuck in the trap your stuck in every single day. Sad.
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