… that’s what my loving wife said

… I told her I get that

… then asked why a loving father would create a pit of fire to throw his children in ? … said it sounds sadistic to my simple mind

… her response was an eye roll

.. so now that part is up to the good people of trapperman to explain I guess

The way to God is through Jesus, the Holy Spirit and The Bible. I dont believe a certain Denomination of Church or anything else is needed or is mentioned in the Bible as being the way.

That's one of my biggest problems with Christianity too. A good God wouldn't create someone knowing they will suffer externally, even if it's their own choice too. It would be better not to make them.

Keith

Because one of his nature's is to be a perfectly just God. If you had a child that wanted nothing to do with you and rejected everything about you their whole life would it be unjust to leave them out of your will? This is only giving them what they want, which is to have no part of him. I think a lot of misconception have been painted about what we actually know of (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) and and of eternity for the non believers. Not saying that that path isnt a horrible one but a lot of ideas maybe based on misconceptions. Most people's lack of faith has really nothing to do with evidence or logic but more to do with the fact that they want to live a sinful life and believe they won't be held accountable for it. They look for evidence to support their desires instead of looking for truth.

Keith do you think Henry Ford wouldn't have created the automobile if he would of know how much suffering and death it would cause.

And as a loving father I have let my kids externally suffer the consequences of their choices before despite my warnings

Henry ford wasn’t omnipotent

… and besides… god created him and the death and destruction … pain and suffering that came with that

Yes sir, by that same logic what about Sam Colt or Winchester ? They're just things. I get your question. But no. People and human fault are the fault. You can't account for that.

… god created satan

Could God give us free will and there not have been death and destruction

We can not be created with free will and bad choices not be present. And there cant be bad choices and not bad consequences
In other words it is impossible to have free will without having bad things and thus we live in a fallen world.

… could have created anything he wanted… in fact he created what was considered perfect and a paradise for his children according to genesis

… then put in a tree of forbidden fruit knowing his children would partake… then proceeded to torture them for it

… it’s akin to putting a piece of candy in front of a toddler and saying no … then when they inevitably eat it … you set them on fire for doing so

You guys do realize your asking questions that might be above our paygrade ? Like if my bird dogs wanted to know how an internal combustion engine worked and why.

They'd never get it and it wouldn't really matter.

… then put in a tree of forbidden fruit knowing his children would partake… then proceeded to torture them for it

… it’s akin to putting a piece of candy in front of a toddler and saying no … then when they inevitably eat it … you set them on fire for doing so [/quote]
You could keep your children from making any bad choices to by keeping them locked in a room their whole lives too but you dont

The point is you cant give a person free will and not give them choices between good and bad and really be giving them free will

I do think he would of, especially because in general automobiles make most lives better.

Keith

God created Satan as an Angel with free will and Satan chose sin

… god created sin

Thoughts??? Is the incorrect??

Could there be free will without sin?