God created Satan as an Angel with free will and Satan chose sin

Keith i believe the answe lies in the free will thing.
In my reasoning saying you give someone free will to chose what they want but only giving them good choices to chose from is like giving multiple choice questions but making all the choices true. Its not really free will. Its a falsehood because you are controlling the outcome.

Now if there's no eternal damnation and only punishment that causes the soul to develop better and grow more God like, it makes more sense.

Keith

Savell my point is there cant be freewill without sin and Justice without consequences. And being Just is a nature of God. All the pieces need to be there to create the whole thing. And you must take into account the whole picture to be able to understand how each part works. Which seeing the whole picture and truly understanding each piece is above our pay scale so to speak.
I have tried my best to answer your questions and address your points as best as I can but haven't heard you or Keith addres my point about whether there truly can be freewill without sin (bad choices).

Savell my point is there cant be freewill without sin and Justice without consequences. And being Just is a nature of God. All the pieces need to be there to create the whole thing. And you must take into account the whole picture to be able to understand how each part works. Which seeing the whole picture and truly understanding each piece is above our pay scale so to speak.
I have tried my best to answer your questions and address your points as best as I can but haven't heard you or Keith addres my point about whether there truly can be freewill without sin (bad choices).

But couldn't God just not make the people that go wrong, knowing they will go wrong. There would be less suffering if he did that. It seems cruel to create something to suffer externally. That's the act of a sadist, not a kind and loving God.

Keith

… I think you’re missing the point… a pit of fire was created to burn his children that he knew would be skeptical and die agnostic… good people mind you


… besides you’re likely bound for damnation yourself unless you’re healing the sick .. taking up rattlesnakes and drinking cyanide



… oh yeah … and performing exorcisms

How can the created tell the creator what is right or wrong? The lump of clay doesn't tell the potter what to create, just as man doesn't tell God what to create or what is just. If they do so they're acting is if they were God.

… I think you’re missing the point… a pit of fire was created to burn his children that he knew would be skeptical and die agnostic… good people mind you


… besides you’re likely bound for damnation yourself unless you’re healing the sick .. taking up rattlesnakes and drinking cyanide



… oh yeah … and performing exorcisms

BTW,
Regarding Mark chapter 16, most translations of the bible will contain verses 9 to the end of the chapter with a footnote at the bottom of chapter 16. I think this may be the only place in the bible where such a thing occurs. I imagine the only reason that these verses aren't just omitted from bibles being printed today is because people are so used to these verses being in the KJV that they have just decided to let them be; but along with a caveat.

[The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20.]

9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons. 10 She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping. 11 When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it.

12 Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking in the country. 13 These returned and reported it to the rest; but they did not believe them either.

14 Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen.

15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. 20 Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.

… it’s common knowledge to most … I imagine there are multiple scripts in the Old Testament say Jews were god’s chosen people and his rewards in the afterlife were only for them ? … everyone else was gentiles and not worthy

… Jesus came and died so all including the sorry gentiles were allowed in

… kind of like integration

… was raised in a church that claimed people who go to heaven were elected by God to do so before they were born

… claimed some people can’t answer the knock on the door or what have you

… which scriptures support this ?

Seth....... God may exist. But if he does, he's barred some of the best people on this earth I've ever met from his Kingdom. How in the world am I supposed to worship a diety that would do that? You can say they have free will, and their lack of faith is their damnation, and you may be right, but a simple lack of faith sentencing someone to an eternity of misery? Naw.... I can't worship any God that would do that. That is a vindictive God, not a kind God.....